Prizes... again
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 12, 2010, 10:13 am |
was looking at league prizes.... they are really weird... here are a few examples
Northern Semi-Pro Combat League: 2053 1st: $180000 and Radar Guided Missile 2nd: $144000 and Pike chassis 3rd: $115200 and Tank Gun Pike ahead of tank gun? Northern Summer League: 2053 1st: $60000 and Heavy Gatling Gun 2nd: $48000 and Car Cannon 3rd: $38400 and Car Cannon Car Cannon less valuable than HGG? Elmsfield Two Guineas League: 2053 1st: $60000 and Hearse chassis 2nd: $48000 and Car Cannon 3rd: $38400 and Car Cannon You cant even sell a hearse! Gateway Pedestrian Combat League: 2053 1st: $175000 and Heavy Rocket Rack 2nd: $140000 and Tank Gun 3rd: $112000 and Heavy Gatling Gun HRR? More valuable than a tank gun? Gateway Winter Meltdown League: 2053 1st: $60000 and Light Rocket Rack 2nd: $48000 and Car Cannon 3rd: $38400 and Bullet chassis LRR better than a CC? I thought this was being rejigged? |
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Karz Master Posted Feb 12, 2010, 10:25 am |
Elmsfield Two Guineas League: 2053
1st: $60000 and Hearse chassis 2nd: $48000 and Car Cannon 3rd: $38400 and Car Cannon ROFL this is the most hilarious one. |
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FireFly Posted Feb 12, 2010, 10:53 am |
1st: $240000 and Heavy Laser
2nd: $192000 and Heavy Rocket Rack 3rd: $153600 and Semi Tractor chassis Nope, semi tractor wins, its a step above in uselessness 
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Karz Master Posted Feb 12, 2010, 10:56 am |
But it's fun as hell to drive. If I could ever be bothered to buy one, I'd put it in a no engine limits race. | ||||||
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 12, 2010, 10:59 am |
It must have dropped of sams to do lust, with factions coming I remember you posting the different levels of worth goat | ||||||
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*Urban Decay* Posted Feb 12, 2010, 2:23 pm |
Sam is lusting over factions eh? hehe I still like how the SS Race league is all weapons and not a single engine or chassis. Oh and ignore that edit Grog, hit edit instead of Quote... Stupid close proximity... |
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*sam* Posted Feb 12, 2010, 3:05 pm |
Assuming you do mean list, actually no I did implement that list... I need to investigate what actually happened here. |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 12, 2010, 3:07 pm |
Hmmmm i think it should have been list unless 
Urban .yah should have edited the post for me, while you was there 
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*sam* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 2:19 pm |
OK, I have gotten around to investigating this, and actually the code functioned perfectly. What was wrong were the numbers that were being used (goat?)..
Here's a complete list of the Prize Hardware items and their current 'values' (which is used to make sure prize 1 is equal or better than prize 2, etc.): please let me know what should change! Fire Engine 240000 Ambulance 225000 McFly 220000 Roadrunner 220000 Squadcar 215000 Cougar 210000 Turin 210000 DeVille 205000 Fiftyseven 200000 McKenzie 200000 Heavy Laser 190000 Hotrod 160000 Radar Guided Missile 150000 Royal Eaton 140000 Osprey 130000 Stormer 125000 Pike 100000 Heavy Rocket Rack 90000 Buzzer 80000 Medium Rocket Rack 70000 Mounted Mortar 65000 Tank Gun 60000 Rocket Booster 60000 Laser 60000 Hearse 50000 Flail 50000 Light Rocket Rack 50000 Mini Rocket Pod 50000 Heavy Car Rifle 45000 Bus 40000 Moray 40000 Heavy Gatling Gun 40000 Car Cannon 7500 Buccaneer 5000 Bullet 5000 Semi Tractor 5000 Flechette Gun 5000 Nitro Booster 5000 Anti Tank Gun 5000 |
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FireFly Posted Feb 24, 2010, 2:37 pm |
I dont get how the rocket racks are so high on the list, are they really that rare?
And a heavy laser and a firetruck are equally rare... Just throw the hearse right of the list... The RGM is worth more than the cougar... Regular lasers are worth more than buzzers... hearses are worth nothing... Just some pointers
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 3:18 pm |
my stab at it... I am hazy on the turins mckenzies etc
Fire Engine 240000 Ambulance 230000 Squadcar 210000 Heavy Laser 200000 Radar Guided Missile 200000 McFly 180000 Roadrunner 175000 Cougar 170000 Turin 160000 DeVille 160000 Fiftyseven 150000 McKenzie 150000 Laser 145000 Mounted Mortar 140000 Tank Gun 135000 Osprey 130000 Buzzer 130000 Heavy Car Rifle 120000 Car Cannon 120000 Hotrod 100000 Royal Eaton 100000 Flail 90000 Stormer 80000 Pike 80000 Heavy Rocket Rack 70000 Bus 60000 Rocket Booster 60000 Heavy Gatling Gun 50000 Moray 50000 Buccaneer 50000 Medium Rocket Rack 40000 Light Rocket Rack 35000 Bullet 35000 Hearse 30000 Semi Tractor 25000 Flechette Gun 25000 Nitro Booster 20000 Mini Rocket Pod 10000 Anti Tank Gun 5000 |
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*sam* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 3:34 pm |
Thanks guys... can anyone else comment on this, does it look ok? | ||||||
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*jimmylogan* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 5:33 pm |
I personally think the rocket racks are still too high... Is there a reason? They show up as trader cargo from time to time, so they CAN be looted... | ||||||
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FireFly Posted Feb 24, 2010, 5:36 pm |
Not to mention, Mcfly's can be looted, Roadies, Kenzies, Turins, Cougars cant... | ||||||
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:03 pm |
ambulances and firetrucks CAN be looted... as can heavy lasers... thats not the basis on which prizes should be worked out. it should be on how much they are worth to the player base (which we will never all agree on) and possibly on how 'prize like' they are on that basis i have seen a turin not sell at 600k before so should it be lower than a tank gun and a mortar? probably not because it feels more like a prize item... but who knows |
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FireFly Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:09 pm |
True enough, but tank guns are generally more rare than mortars, in my experience anyway.
Also, to base them on "Worth", why would anyone actually use a mcfly, they aren't very... "Impressive" |
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:17 pm |
why would anyone use a squad car on that basis?
worth is about style, game value, all sorts of things |
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FireFly Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:42 pm |
Also, does the fly meet any of those? |
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:46 pm |
i use a squad car all the time... and it is also lootable.
the mcfly: a) looks cool b) is quick c) is quite tough d) has great 1980s nostalgia value |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:48 pm |
Surely the ambulance and squad car are rarer than the firetruck, i cant say i have heard of either being snagged on a scout where as i know a good few FT's that have been | ||||||
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 6:54 pm |
again i suspect thats a value call...
would people pay more for a FT than an ambulance or squadcar? i suspect so because whilst they are rarer they are also rather less useful. i had originally put all three on the same value but sam needs some differentiation in the list. |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 24, 2010, 11:39 pm |
Looks good, except Id change these - Roadrunner 210000 - best racer out there? lightest car ever? McKenzie, Cougar, Deville - 200000 Turin - 180000 Mcfly - 160000 Fiftseven - 150000 |
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 25, 2010, 9:26 am |
I'm not sure about this Longo...
if there was a race with a first prize of a Mckenzie and second a Heavy Laser would that look right? Not saying either way but I know which I would be happier to get. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 25, 2010, 9:47 am |
McKenzie, Cougar, Deville are faster then a roadrunner. The roadrunner might be fast, but i get better lap times in a common 5LV8 Vampire I think the main problem with naming a price on things is how usefull a player thinks they are. My 2 cents: put stuff on top that doesn't spawn in the wild. That means a fire engine would drop below the heavy laser and the rare racers would be on top. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 25, 2010, 9:47 am |
when was the last one looted? |
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Serephe Posted Feb 25, 2010, 10:04 am |
Why would a heavy laser drop below a fire engine? They both spawn in the wild. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 25, 2010, 10:12 am |
fire engines spawn more in the wild then heavy lasers... Sam should have these numbers |
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 25, 2010, 10:21 am |
basing it purely on spawn is silly....
I believe people want to win things that will find useful... That might mean that the top prizes in race leagues should be race cars as people who win these leagues tend to like racing. However often FTs spawn they are only rarely seen for sale because people tend to keep them. generally I would have thought that value in the player market was a better guide than rate at which things spawn. That is a pretty inexact science but it reflects how people value items rather than how the game is coded. |
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Serephe Posted Feb 25, 2010, 10:25 am |
Not true -- I've seen many more heavy lasers than I have firetrucks (1 firetruck in 3 years, many many heavy lasers)
I agree with this. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 25, 2010, 11:19 am |
firetrucks... seen them a couple of times on the marketplace forum.
Heavy laser.... rare McKenzie: never I bet i could get more off a McKenzie then i could of a FT.
true, but the problem is that differs from player to player :-) |
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 25, 2010, 11:26 am |
i dont... tinker has donated a mckenzie for the next FP race... they are easier to build at camp (require a lower MR I believe) so they are easier to get in game.
when a turin appeared recently it didn't make 600k these cars have a very small group of players after them so their bidding potential is much lower than a FT, heavy laser etc. If anyone has actually brought or sold a mckenzie recently perhaps they could make a comment? |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 25, 2010, 12:34 pm |
Sere' its the other way round for me, at least five FT seen in wild, never seen a H / Laser though, is this due to not attacking traders ? is this where the HL are spawning | ||||||
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lordbam Posted Feb 25, 2010, 12:35 pm |
remember that spawn changed a LOT about a year ago.
The first year i played not 1 firetruck spawned, now there is one spawning every month. A better question is: Did you see one spawn last year. |
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Serephe Posted Feb 25, 2010, 12:42 pm |
I saw a heavy laser within the past fortnight. One was looted within the past couple of days by FF and TEC I believe, also. | ||||||
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Serephe Posted Feb 25, 2010, 12:42 pm |
Grog, they spawn to attack small low CR vehicles in the FL-BL-Shanty areas in my experience. |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 25, 2010, 1:13 pm |
Ahhh so spawn against travel vehicles more so than scouts got ya | ||||||
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Serephe Posted Feb 25, 2010, 1:30 pm |
Or just scouting in them...
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*Wolfsbane* Posted Feb 25, 2010, 5:19 pm |
Should there be some engines in there? I'm pretty sure the 3.2Lv8 is more desirable than an ATG, and the v12s must be even more so. | ||||||
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 26, 2010, 12:39 pm |
yes there should |
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*sam* Posted Feb 26, 2010, 1:06 pm |
If you can list the 'values' (to fit in with the list of chassis/weapons listed above..) I'll add engines for next season's prizes. | ||||||
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Axiin Posted Feb 27, 2010, 5:49 am |
Instead of a price list, Create blocks of "Value" items.
Four, perhaps 5 blocks of valued items. Each within some range/usefulness. The system then can randomly select 3 blocks to choose prizes from, and then 1 out of each block. You'd get a more consistent spread of things I think. Also with this system you could give the 1st and/or 2nd place player(s) an alternative choice based on the blocks that weren't used. Or even instead of an actual prize... a selection out of the block. 1st place gets to select out of block A, B or C, 2nd place gets to select out of B or C. etc. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 27, 2010, 9:23 am |
Actually a very good idea. but you can do it much simpler. Select 5 prizes. then the first 3 can each pick one price. That way the players can pick what THEY find important. If i want a McKenzie instead of a heavy laser, i can just choose it when it is among the 5. |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 27, 2010, 7:32 pm |
I like this idea, I assume that whoever comes first will get first pick? |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 27, 2010, 8:03 pm |
MckEnzies are actually quite hard to make, I believe only the roadrunner, ambulance, and FT are harder to make. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Feb 27, 2010, 8:05 pm |
Would very much prefer a drop down list. I have to admit right now I would pick a mckenzie over a hvy laser. I have one and not the other...even though a hvy laser is probably "worth" more.
It's nice for cheap bastards like me that simply refuse to pay millions for these things and would rather try to win them. |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 27, 2010, 8:10 pm |
I'll try a list for the engines -
7LV12 - 220000 (only 3 things in the entire game are harder to make, this is the most difficult component) 5LV12 - 195000 5LV8 - 135000 3LV8 - 120000 3LR - 80000 2LR - 75000 |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 27, 2010, 8:57 pm |
I wouldnt say a 5lv8 is as valuable as a tank gun | ||||||
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*Wolfsbane* Posted Feb 27, 2010, 9:00 pm |
Yeah, those seem a little high, at least for the ones I have experience of. I'd put the 3.2v8 closer to 50000. They spawn in shops quite regularly, and they're not hard to loot. 3LR should be similar, and 2LR a bit less - 45000 and 30000?
Won't comment on the bigger stuff, as I haven't seen enough of it. |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 27, 2010, 9:04 pm |
The v12s seem fine, i'd lower the v8s and rots a little though | ||||||
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*Longo* Posted Feb 27, 2010, 11:36 pm |
Apparently you have never used one. |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 27, 2010, 11:40 pm |
I've used both, I've had at leasst 10 5lv8s, only ever had one TG.
That isn't to say that an item should only be valued on it's rarity, I just think that for they both do, a tank gun is worth considerably more. |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 27, 2010, 11:50 pm |
I sell 5LV8s for 200-235k each. At one point, I had about 40 of them. Ive sold them off. They fit unexposed in Flails, Ospreys, Pikes. Good for racing and travel cars, pretty high demand. I have 4 or 5 TGS. Ive used em on Buses, Lorries, and FTs. They are only effective on FTs, and their huge bulk and ammo bulk only make it better than a CC in the hands of an extremely gifted gunner in a very large vehicle. How many people do you see buying a TG? |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 27, 2010, 11:58 pm |
Not many people have the gunners or the money, I'm not saying more people buy tank guns, I just think that they would be better for a prize than a 5lv8 because you can get 5lv8s anywhere south of GW quite regularly if you have HPs, hardly ever come across tank guns | ||||||
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*Longo* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 12:17 am |
Your statement totally justifies why a 5LV8 would be a better prize than a TG for most people. Thank you! |
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Serephe Posted Feb 28, 2010, 12:36 am |
Longo, using that logic a HMG is a better prize than a heavy laser. 
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Feb 28, 2010, 12:39 am |
This is my point... just worded better 
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 28, 2010, 1:54 am |
Using the list Goat provided (Nice job Goat, though the Mckenzie should be above the Turin and 57) here is my opinion on where the engines could go.
7LV12 175000 5LV12 - 150000 5LV8 - 110000 3LV8 - 50000 3LR - 60000 2LR 40000 Only changes Id suggest Mckenzie to 190000 |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 2:52 am |
I'll go head to head with either of ya using a hmg vs a Hlaser. Ill even do a normal mg...
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*Longo* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 2:56 am |
Lord F, you forget your spoiled in Cry Havoc. Its the only camp that is capable of making a 7LV12 short of me dropping a factory in favor of 4 more mech shops in Longoville, and 5LV12s can only be made in 2 camps. Basically you need at least 15 mech shops full of 50+ - 300 mechs(thats 60 mechs total) just to make a 5LV12, and 19 mech shops of the same (thats 76 good mechs) just to create these. Thats pretty substantial. |
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 28, 2010, 3:32 am |
Not spoiled Longo, I have not obtained anything from Cry Havoc yet. I've paid full price for all my goodies so far, ask Latte.
While I agree with you that they are hard to make they should not be at the same level as the RGM or Heavy laser that can not be made at all. Why would you put an engine that can be made (even though hard to do) at the same level or higher as an item that can only be found in the wilderness? Not including time to build here is an aprox. cost to build one of each going by current SS bulk prices. 7LV12 - 145k Suggested placement 175000 5LV12 86k Suggested placement 150000 5LV8 - N/A - Suggested placement 110000 3LV8 18k - Suggested placement 50000 3LR 19k - Suggested placement 60000 2LR 11k - Suggested placement 40000 Then consider function. A 7LV12 can only fit in a very limited amount of chassis, even though its one of the hardest items to make. Desirability would easily put the 5v12 at 150000 as it can fit in quite a few useful chassis but is not more desirable than a Heavy laser, FT, Squad car or Mckenzie most of the time. |
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*Longo* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 4:36 am |
The 7LV12 is incredibly fast, and is great for an ambulance, and Im sure for a FT and Lorry too.
I think they should be high, just below a Hlaser and RGM, if anything. A 5LV12 shouldnt be the same as a 57, however. |
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lordbam Posted Feb 28, 2010, 9:52 am |
You will never agree on pricing of items.
It all depends on what your play style is. I vote to use a drop down box that gives you multiple options. This way this thread is closed. |
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*Wolfsbane* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 11:25 am |
I don't think you need to get everyone to agree - as long as the prizes aren't obviously crazy that's probably good enough. | ||||||
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*goat starer* Posted Feb 28, 2010, 2:00 pm |
except that if i won a tank gun i could sell it and BUY at least 3 5lv8s |
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*sam* Posted Mar 8, 2010, 6:55 pm |
I'm making these edits now, and adding engines as future prizes. |