SCL 5, Cynical Cheating or Monster Selfish Stupidity
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jun 30, 2013, 10:16 pm |
It seems that what people are saying about Joel and the Alley are in fact true.
On the 21st of June I told Joel I could not make the pre selected time for our SCL bout as below and asked to change it. He made me dance through hoops trying to accomodate and never changed the event date despite me reminding him on a daily basis. He is that desperate to win he would rather use cheap tactics such as this than actually compete fairly. I am really not impressed I have no intention of trusting his word again. Below is the transcript of some of our conversations so you know not to trust him in the future On the 21st June I sent; We have each other as opponents in the next SCL 5 match so I wanted to ask what times you can do, I am on server time so 00.30 is quite late, could you do earlier, also I am at a wedding that day and its a weekend long event as I am the best man so I will need to move the day too. Could you let me know what flexibility you have and I will try and accommodate you as best as possible. cheers his reply was Sure... but I am 8 time zones after you... what do you think? We communicated every day with me repeating the call for him to reschedule the event for after the 29th so we wouldn’t lose our chance to play it out and he never did so. Until finally on Thursday and Friday I sent the same basic message; Quote: don't forget to change the date or we will miss out tomorrow as I am at a wedding To which I got the reply today #### i'm sorry I honestly didnt get a chance to, travelling this week. I could take this on face value as an honest mistake if it were not for three things. THE FIRST THING This is his Darkwind activity log for while he was “Travelling” League Combat 2013-06-29 02:00:00 Double Down Arena $25200 Which means he was definitely on line in that one and a half hours later than our scheduled event and S571862 Paper Tiger Vs Badland Rudeboys Gates of Somerset 2013-06-27 06:57:30 Which means he was definitely playing less than two days before and could easily have changed the date, especially over the week running up to that point when he returned several of my messages. THE SECOND THING Is that me not being at the event at all means I won't get the point for losing, this means the other Alley team will now finish above my team irrespective of my results if they win just one of their matches. If I had lost against Joel but maintained or improved my score difference they would have had to win two to beat me, My season has now been wasted because of Joel’s ####ty attitude. THE THIRD THING Joel’s bastards have only actually faced four gangs this season in SCL 5 and one of them was an alley one (which conceded with only one car demo funnily enough), is this a coincidence or just more Alley fixing of events and leagues. I wonder how many others of you have had this silly excuse before and took it at someones word ?. I am not bothered by the roleplaying level of nasty Alley behaviour as it is good roleplaying and therefore appropriate, but I am appalled by the rigging of this league by the act of deliberately making it impossible for other players to partake. I know that Joels bastards would have won SCL5 whether I beat them or not but until Joel’s cowardly theft of my 1 or 3 points in this way I could have beaten Metal warriors and finished in the top three. This is not roleplaying, it is exploiting. There is a one percent chance he wasn’t exploiting for the Alley but is instead stupid, ignorant and inconsiderate but I don’t believe that. No Veteran player of this game forgets for 8 days to change a date on a league event when reminded repeatedly, so Thanks Joel you made the game worse for yet another player with you cheating and you got yourself some more pretend dollars. |
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Blackwill Posted Jun 30, 2013, 10:41 pm |
Typical. Totally expected. The Alley members are low-life scum. Welcome to Darkwind.
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*Longo* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 12:41 am |
Bigspenner -
What you fail to see here is that there is no requirement for Joel to switch with you. The time/date is randomly chosen based upon the two teams putting in the best times they can play at the beginning of the season. If he doesnt want to switch find someone else to play for you (you can have 3 gangs per team) or trust someone with your log in to fight it out. As for Joel saying he was "traveling," I am not sure what you do for a living, but Dark-wind is a game, not a lifestyle. I PM Joel alot and have known him in game for years and sometimes he doesnt get back to me for days. Your upset that you lost for not showing up. You had other options than demanding Joel change the time. Hey, I asked a guy years ago to change and he refused. Oh well. Its a game. |
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Juris Posted Jul 1, 2013, 1:18 am |
That would be the event I ran solo. Joel had a BPU but I took control, so he wasn't on. My question is did you actually propose a time and ask Joel to accept? Doesn't sound like it. One idea I had awhile back that never got implemented was for proposed time changes to happen automatically after 24 hrs if the other guy didn't respond, and the request would generate a PM to the other player informing him that he needed to reject the new time or it would be changed in 24 hrs. As for the rest of your rant. The Alley doesn't rig fights. S565462 And what Longo said. DW is only a part-time job for people with busy lives (I am complimenting you), sometimes you just can't show up and take the loss. |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 1:49 am |
How about our SCL V event with jole he wasn't even logged in and we were set to enter the event, and after time lapsed with him not entering HE got the points and WE got the loss.
Tell me how the F*** is that right he is up to something just don't know what. |
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Juris Posted Jul 1, 2013, 2:07 am |
If you had a squad set from the SCL V Events screen, and had guys loaded in, and Joel didn't show you would've won by default, so that is not what happened. Checking your events screen there is no record of an SCL V bout with Joel on 6/29. Which means you never set a squad. That is why you lost. |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 2:32 am |
We had a squad set he did not the event never popped off that's why we lost. That is what happened!
That's why there's no event logged! Not that it matters to us but what a crock |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 2:35 am |
StC is the owner of SCL V team not me so it don't matter to me any way just pointing it out. | ||||||
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 1, 2013, 2:51 am |
Squad WAS set. Crews (at keast mine I know for certain) WERE assigned. Event never started. (even looked in active events box). Joel never logged in (nor any member of his team).
Joel was given the win. 325 to 0. Despite not being online and being opposed by a team that WAS online and set. Had to reset the time & date of the event which had iriginally not falleb within the spectrum of my available times as set upon team creation. Joel accepted the change graciously so I have no qualm with him. But there IS a few glitches in SCL. This being only one of them (a no show getting a win iver someine who did show) All glitches were reported to SAM directly. No Response Which is why we have mostly just Quit SCL. The top dogs win without fighting. The challengers are required to fight to get a win.
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 1, 2013, 2:54 am |
Ignore mispellings. Typing from phone. | ||||||
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 1, 2013, 3:01 am |
Another glitch experienced: multiple turns in a row getting skipped, not allowing me to enter orders and just progressing to the next turn when the opposition clicks in.
Another glitch: weapons fire hitting like a ram. Destroting weapons (Biggest weapon on car in both occurances) through 12 to 18 points of armor. (destroyed vs 12, reduced to 12% through 18) Not that it matters. The 4% production boost isn't anything special, and I dont really need the money so I dont care.if I win or lose. The glitches make me mad though. |
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Juris Posted Jul 1, 2013, 4:49 am |
Okay last time
The Bastards v. FLinT Tinder and Steel 2013-06-12 04:00(server time) 2013-06-11 20:00 325 - 0 Looking at Crispy's events log for 6-12 S568576 Stormer 1 Vs The Droogs Lonesome Highway 2013-06-11 08:57:14 2013-06-11 00:57:14 S568569 Blood Lust Vs Death Or Taxes Dead Man`s Road 2013-06-11 07:04:18 2013-06-10 23:04:18 S568563 BPU Escorts Vs The Arachnids Road To Gateway 2013-06-11 06:16:44 2013-06-10 22:16:44 Nothing but NPCs. Therefore: As I said no squad was set |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 1, 2013, 6:05 am |
in which case the "set Squad" button didnt function as it was supposed to. Since the squad was assigned (Squidward) and the button was clicked.
But like we said, the event decided to never occur. I originally thought the event never spawned was because our opposition failed to show up. I expected to see Joel with his first Loss (due to no-show), and FLinT with a win due to being there, entered and waiting. OR AT THE VERY LEAST Zero to Zero due to lack of event occuring. But in this case NO SHOW = WIN and Waiting patiently after setting the squad 30 minutes prior to the event = You Lose. Again. I dont really care. Im poinjting out that SCL is glitched. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 1, 2013, 6:08 am |
oh, and an unreported glitch:
A disbanded team vs my team. EVERYONE ELSE got 325 to 0 win. When it came up to being FLinTs turn vs a non existant team. Guess what? 0 - 0 By then I was fed up with SCL for the season so I didnt care that I was the ONLY team that got a loss for fighting a team that didnt exist anymore. But thats why i wont be participating in anymore SCL fights for the this season. That was the final little annoyance. Theres always next season after all. Maybe it wont Glitch and give me multiple turns that I have no control over that end by themselves, or weapon hits that do internals without even breaching on a 1st hit to 18 points of armor, etc... etc... Its the SCL, not the Alley. |
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*Awefense* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 9:38 am |
Wow! My 1st SCL League is almost over.
What a huge Pain In The A$$ it is to schedule these things.  That is what I have disliked the most is the scheduling.
I like Juris's idea. Heck, you could just make it so the event can't happen until a time is agreed upon? My first match of the season was against The Bastards. I had changed the time on the SCL page and just assumed that Joel would agree or disagree there. Was I in for an education or what? I also assumed that the event wouldn't happen if a time wasn't agreed upon. I just happened to be on when it popped, and was, "oh crap  !".
I had only a placeholder car in the squad with a single guy with a guns skill of less than 10. My teammate hadn't loaded his guys and cars yet, again, miscommunication. I went in and gave it a go. I got shot up and yes, I resigned my guy and my car before they got obliterated, the car was pretty shot up. I never even got my car back, lol, not a big deal because The Alley has been nothing but good to me. Again, it's the whole scheduling thing I hate. My match against Gizmet. Was all set for 7/1 at 0600. I layed down for a power nap at 0000 and got up at 0500 ready to go. Gizmet had changed the time to 3 hours earlier and I had no idea. Not quite the way I pictured earning my points. Other than the scheduling, it's been great. Guys have returned my cars, have worked with me on scheduling, and haven't redded any of my gangers, so it's been all good there. Thanks. |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 10:27 am |
sorry Longo but unfortunately you cant read, He agreed to change the time every day and then didn't. That is very different to what you are describing. Had he refused I would have been happy accept that or put pressure on racing Robbie to do the event for us. Your point therefore is rubbish Alley defence based on not reading the facts as usual.
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 11:54 am |
My replies
Awefense I agree with everything in your post, I just like you have been very happy with most people everyone working hard to accommodate and enjoying the competition. Longo your assertian that there is no requirement for Joel to switch time maybe true but do you really want to play in a league where the winner is the one who makes it hardest for other people to play. I hope not as the winner should be the one that plays best. I also said I would play at mifdnight only half an hour earlier as long as we changed the day to which he agreed but just didn’t do it. Juris, the alley does rig fights, working as a team in individual leagues and events but as long as its in the spirit of the game its reasonable play even if its annoying to the solo players. The part that is unreasonable is the cynical exploitation of the system to circumvent the event rules or start system that is wrong, just like the Cof E discussion, using Zerkeres just because you know they get away with breaking the rules is an exploitation of the game, agreeing in principle to reschedule and event and them not doing is an exploit. Anyone who has played me will tell you how much I have tried to negotiate a mutually beneficial time for an event, I did with Joel in just the same way so I leave judgement of my approach to working with others to people I have worked with to defend. In terms of who has a busy life and how it must be hard to reschedule sometimes this is a load of Bull. I run a £9m turnover company I set up from scratch 6 years ago, am married with two children, was best man at a wedding for the sixth time this weekend and I bet my life is as busy as anyones here. The difference is in my life inside and outside of Darkwind I am considerate, conscientious and supportive to those I interact with. I contacted Joel 8 days before this event and proposed through the game, a new time and date straight away, after a few messages with Joel, The ones I haven’t deleted are below and are not a complete list (Joel replied to about half of them so he definitely read them) PM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello Joel SCL5 Joel Autobaun PM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello Joel SCL5 Joel Autobaun PM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello Joel SCL5 Joel Autobaun PM Re: Re: Re: Hello Joel SCL5 Joel Autobaun PM Re: Hello Joel SCL5 Joel Autobaun I changed the proposed time again (the second change) and asked Joel to move the day while we sort out a mutually useable time slot. He just didn’t bother or deliberately chose not to. That’s is Exploiting or deliberately obtuse, you judge. Either way its not the spirit of the thing. The Alley players say they are not cynically using exploits to help their players get better results, they argue they are stupid and inconsiderate instead. Fair enough if that’s what you want everyone to think. Maybe what we should do next season is to schedule all home events so no one can play. The Alley it seems to think that that will be great fun and according to the Alley a reasonable strategy. The reality is there will be no actually events! I suggest if you are not willing to be flexible don’t enter then the rest of us can play a season and be proud or dissapointed in our results based on our performance in the league rather than whether some inconsiderate exploiters decided to rig the league. What I do find annoying is that whenever anyone criticizes this sort of behaviour several of the beneficiarys of these actions leap up and attack like spotty teenage virgins with the online shouts of “its only a game why do you take its so seriously” or “ get a life saddo its just a game” The odd thing is its these very people making it less fun and ruining the game by being unable to just compete on a fair basis, choosing to gang together and exploit the rules as they are too pathetically inadequate to risk losing an online game by just playing it normally. These “unlikely to see a girl naked” types are actually the ones who need to get life in the first place. I have never posted complaining about losing or being unlucky precisely because it is just a game and I find it really good fun. I don’t mind losing a fair fight, in fact if you don’t lose some its probably not challenging enough, I just hate cheats and bad players. So In conclusion don’t tell me to get a life or that I didn’t ask for a change or I don’t understand busy people’s lives, Just start playing the game in a fair and concientious way. And the Alley, enjoy your extra training percentage point you have fiddled, sitting there thinking you are all great players and stalwarts of the game. And as gradually the leagues and events get less well attended because its rigged and crap I am sure you will all be really happy with more pretend dollars. |
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Racing Robbie Posted Jul 1, 2013, 12:22 pm |
OK to add my two-penny worth………
Having know BigS for quite a few years now in the real and various gaming worlds - I would say that he is one most relaxed/forgiving people I know and for him to feel like he has to speak up like this, then it’s more than just normal bitching that happens on the forums and he feels like he has a real reasons to be upset at Joel. It was felt from our end that we were getting the run around - OK maybe be a culture difference thing. In previous events we have tried to work with the other teams to get a suitable date/time, including ones 8 hours behind. So it was frustrating not to be able reach an agreement on a suitable date/time. Longo that is a disappointing reply, we never demanded a change of date/time, we asked to try change the date/time and get one that was suitable for at least one of us. We have 3 people in our team, unfortunately that day due to real life commitments none of us were available. So we asked fairly to change the date and time to one that we could fit in with. And you are right that it is a game, it’s a game we all like to have the chance to play. OK cheers Juris, that’s a fair point if you ran that event solo – but the point remains that Joel has been on the system between when we asked and the actual event but never reset the event date/time despite repeated messages between him and BigS trying to sort it out. PS BigS has the busiest life of anyone I know and how he fits it all is amazing. I’m not sure if we had loaded a squad ready or not – you would have to check with BigS on that one. I’m guessing not as there’s no record of an event happening. IMHO – the attitude of some of the players in this game amazes me, we have such a limited number of players that not trying to work together to get the best out of the game is pants. We don’t have to agree on how we run our gangs or their actions in the Evan, in fact a little hatred between groups of players adds to the spice of game. But we need to agree to work together to get the best out of the game and the SCL is part of the game. And to me being flexible on the timing of the events is one the fundamental things of the SCL, with players being scattered around the world as they are. |
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*The X Man* Posted Jul 1, 2013, 7:00 pm |
I feel Bigs frustration. It is disappointing to lose an event because RL does not allow you to compete. But the majority of the player is willing to accommodate scheduling conflicts.
I spent almost 2 weeks in advance to work out a time with Bigs group so we could actually battle it out instead of the no-show free-pass event. I also planned out scheduling in advance with every team that was in a different time zone for this season. I know RL gets in the way for most players, but it is much more fun settling it in battle instead, so players should show a little more willingness to make it happen. This is a team event and unless you enter solo, all players should get the opportunity to attend and compete. The only other option is to run solo, or select teammates that are in another time zone so you are able to make those bad time slots. Remember, there are 9 total events and there is only a complaint about one of them. You can't do anymore than ask for a compromise on a time/date change. We just hope that those requests are honored as they should be. |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 2, 2013, 12:13 pm |
I agree X Man, we worked hard to facilitate each other’s availability and if it had just not been possible I am sure we would have accepted that gracefully. This is however not the case with Joel he said he would change and didn't, end of story. RL didn't get in the way here at all other than the initial date proposed by the server. I could do any day and would have moved to the proposed time (on any other day) if we couldn't have found another way even though it would have been a struggle for me. I just couldn't do that weekend, the next one would have been fine. I haven't failed to attend a single thing I have committed to in all the time I have been subscribed and like you, everyone who has ever dealt with me will tell you I am fair, helpful and accommodating. Joel just wants the win, not to play. He has fiddled a higher finish for the other Alley team. Another league rigged by the Alley.
It is funny that every couple of months another player starts to have problems with the Alley which is a shame because many of the Alley players are straight chaps who I like. they probably don't believe what everyone else seems to have proven many times. Unfortunately it seems that many are seduced by a bit of free kit or protection, as power gamers often are. They are like kids getting a free rock from a dealer, gradually hooked and sucked into a dark and dirty world of drugs, prostitution, sex slavery and violence. After a while losing all sense of right and wrong, losing their friends and family, their values and beliefs, being twisted beyond recognition. Until finally being found dead , heaving with maggots and flies after their very souls have been raped into the abyss...... Possibly a touch melodramatic but the feeling of a growing number it seems. |
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Blackwill Posted Jul 2, 2013, 3:15 pm |
Where do I find these sex slaves you are talking about??
I've checked the local Want Ads, but no luck. |
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RudeReality Posted Jul 2, 2013, 8:03 pm |
Funny, how once again art imitates life... | ||||||
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Gizmet Posted Jul 2, 2013, 9:19 pm |
Yeah, that was my bad... I meant to message you, got caught up in a few scouts and next thing you know I totally forgot... My bad.
But Yeah, the scheduling thing is a pain, I accepted they change originally and was like no problem, but then I realized it was for 0100 my time, and I am in the US Army and 0500 comes EARLY...
-Gizmet |
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*The X Man* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 12:01 am |
The way I see it, there is always going to be scheduling conflicts with global player base. So if there is always going to be disagreements on time, which there will be, I suggest this change.
The SCL has a Home and Away team on the schedule. Why not elimate the time preference averages that are used to determine the best time, because it doesn't always work. Allow the "Home" team to set the time of the event. The Home team can still be sportsmanlike and ask the Away team to agree upon a date and time like we do now, but the Home team will have the final say as to when the event will be scheduled. Due to there being only 9 events, half the teams will get an extra "Home" team time set, but that shouldn't really make too many players throw a fit, or will it?!? (Maybe add one NPC team into the mix so there will be 5 home and away events). One other option to help insure that a time and date are agreed upon is the team that wins a SCL because the other team couldn't make the time slot only gets 2 points for an uncontested victory. Those missing single points will make it very difficult to win the league, so there will be a sense of urgency for the teams doing well to actually make sure they work out a time/date that gets agreed upon. These are just a couple suggestions to see if there is a new system that will work better than the current one in place. The current system we have now isn't really broken, it just needs players to bend it together in the right direction to make it work. I will be back next season, weather it be SCL 4, 5 or both, I will continue to make sure all the matches my team has scheduled will work for both sides because I plan on battling it out each week, not sitting around for a forfeit. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 3, 2013, 12:31 am |
Ok.
Had enough. No negotiating time with me - for anyone, you can thank this forum post from big spenner. Show up when the server schedules it, or default I don't give a #### any more. Don't waste my time PMing me. This was the longest time negotiation I've ever had, I honestly felt bad I missed agreeing ( by like two fkin hours after just reading his last message). No more mr nice guy (in anything) die in a fire. That is all. |
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 12:44 am |
That's the Joel we know and love!!!!
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BrassFactory Posted Jul 3, 2013, 2:50 am |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 3, 2013, 7:20 am |
I don't like to reveal a lot about my "real life"...you'll never see me post in that thread telling all about my life. Some of you do that's great....That said:
First I don't owe any of you nerds any explanation, I do this for my own sheer pleasure. The truth is yes I did shaft bigspenner and co, and I did feel bad about it. It wasn't some alley conspiracy, I don't give a crap about any prod bonuses any more(certainly not div5), I've got all the toys and am having problems handing them out for free. I did feel very bad if this caused his team to not qual for Div 4 next season(that's all that matters in div 5). I don't feel bad any more. Thank you. So That whole week I was in quebec starting the 21s when he first messaged me - yes flying and driving in La Belle Provence on a FKING Sunday for work. It's a fking ordeal to travel across Canada on a fking sunday because we yes, have truly become america's hat...regaining tangent... I'm in training in head office all week on #### I barely know (but should know) so I am not checking personal emails there, and since my french is ####, convincing the front desk to stop fking me with ####ty wireless in my room that my company paid 10 extra canadian dollhairs a night for. I get on, try to get a league combat each night, while writing my new pen pal bigspenner the absolutely smallest messages my drained brain can provide. Somewhere in the week we started to narrow down the 55 possible mins of the day we could possibly meet for this match(which I am notorious for missing or fking up forgetting my car or gangers - ask my teammates). A couple nights I was playing translator for two married guys on the course, to illiterate strippers that spoke less English than I knew French. Two of them shared a tattoo that read "That which does not kill you makes you stronger". Neither could source the fking quote THEY PERMANENTLY TATTOOED ON THEIR BODIES. They also didn't know who the #### Nietzsche was. So I managed to buddy up with a couple contacts in my company and not feel TOOO guilty for being chauffeur and translator for their deprivations, while their fking wives are calling us in between dens of stinking villainy. There is nothing worse than married guys on "business" trips. Friday at lunch, the most amazingly GORGEOUS waitress actually hits on ME and I tell these two to catch a goddam cab to the airport, because my flight just got delayed by ohhh umm AS LONG AS IT TAKES. I can tell you while Canadian east\west relations were going on, the last thing I am thinking is, holy PHUCK bigspenner might have suggested a time for DIV 5 - I better get off this broad and check my darkwind game for PMs! Definitely I am done with the "talking" part of this game. I am going to get far more acquainted with the shooting part now. |
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Juris Posted Jul 3, 2013, 8:14 am |
Joel is the Mozart of rage.
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*Longo* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 8:33 am |
Fkn A Joel, that post was hilarious! I dont think I could ever top that! HAHA! 
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*goat starer* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 8:44 am |
mozart of rage? or possibly a nob...
only thing Mozart about that is it could have been composed by a four Year old |
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*Bastille* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 11:03 am |
ahh... pop music 
I don 't think any change would improve the situation. Any one of the above ideas (X states another interesting idea with less points) can be used or can be perceived to be being used in some way to gain an advantage or exploit. ATM we select our best times and the schedule is organised between them. We can then change if a time can be agreed upon. If not agreeable we need to take the original time. Its the fairest way. A system that auto accepts a change within a time could not work; what if you don't log in for 6 days but the time was perfectly suitable for you. |
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Racing Robbie Posted Jul 3, 2013, 1:50 pm |
Joel – I don’t know how you manage it but half of DW loves you and half hates you 
That does sound like a week from hell, though ending on a high note there………… 
I wish we had chance to carry out a conversation on the battlefield but through your actions or lack of them you didn’t give us that chance. I’m not sure what the correct answer here is to encourage people to reach agreements on time/dates for the combats – the more disputes like this we have, the more the already small player base is going to get marginalized, which isn’t a good thing. |
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musashi_san Posted Jul 3, 2013, 2:51 pm |
this whole thread is massively out of line imo. i have had this happen to me repeatedly, sometimes due to my own stupidity and sometimes because people are just difficult, and have always been told to just suck it up, which i do, including my recent inability to reschedule a match because the team owner quit the game and i was on a flight over an ocean at the time and just plain could not show. and yes, sometimes it is me that's difficult, because i have a life, like almost all of you. the scheduling is a pita, no question, but trust me joel would *much* rather show up and shoot the crap out of you than get a victory by default, especially in V. not even close. for those of you that are new to scl this is just how it goes, and over time you'll be the beneficiary as much as you get screwed, because, guess what, that part is not a conspiracy. really.
the only part i resent is painting all married guys with the same brush, i am a f'ing saint on business trips. |
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Sarge Posted Jul 3, 2013, 3:09 pm |
Well I guess we're usually lucky you don't share your life with us, Joel.
Seriously? The "excuse" you didn't want to deliver, but couldn't help doing was: I was getting laid. Nice. I guess your first time must be important enough to share with your imaginary carebear friends. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 3, 2013, 4:27 pm |
That is one nasty four year old lol I type on here conversationally(sometimes on these tiny phone touch screens)...sans edits... I really doubt anyone missed my point cause I skipped some commas or even some grammer. Your constant critique of video game forum posts has gotten stale...don't you ever get tired of it? |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 4:32 pm |
Joel, I am afraid that just sounds like a normal week at work to me. please stop moaning and please stop messing people around. If in fact you were just messing people around as you claim you were doing. In reality, your form points to just another exploit from what I can see and your big "aren't I important everyone else can wait for me or get lost" speech is cripplingly onanistic.
Either play nicely or don't play. You are from what I have seen a good player, you don't need to cheat and exploit the game, you don't need to treat everyone else like they are here for your convenience and you certainly don't need to enter leagues you "don’t care about", ruining them for those of us that pay to play a game we can enjoy. A game we play in an environment of mutual respect and competition. So please Joel, save your self-indulgent drivel for those that give a monkeys scrotum about it, and in future just don't ruin it for the others Also I have to say I believe comments like “First I don't owe any of you nerds any explanation” are not nice or necessary. Please have respect for the other players, most are fine people so I have no idea why “my own sheer pleasure” as you put it, is derived from abusing people online. This is a sad way to use your online time and you should have more respect. In point of fact this long negotiation you mentioned involved you returning 5 of my 11 messages in 8 days and not changing a clock. Tough job I know and I can see the stress must be killing you. I can see now how doing that for a fellow competitor would be too much trouble for any mere mortal man. If fact, Super Joel, thank you, for letting me exist in your world. I feel truly honoured, as should all of you out there. As Joel says he doesn’t owe any of you nerds anything, he will probably be president one day lol. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 3, 2013, 4:44 pm |
I am not going to play he said...he said .. bar none it was the toughest longest time negotiation I've ever had and yes during a not normal week (for me).
I admit I screwed up I should have been able to accept the new time you suggested. But I didn't. I said I was sorry. But you attack me on the forum I am no longer sorry. I will not be bothering to negotiate times anymore with anyone...what a debaucle. |
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Juris Posted Jul 3, 2013, 4:54 pm |
Lol I never want this flame thread to end. Had the image of some guy crashing his car just as he's about to... Never mind that all of this could've been avoided simply by setting a squad, it must be another of Joel's 'conspiracies' |
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Blackwill Posted Jul 3, 2013, 5:00 pm |
Does your mom know you use her computer while she's at work, Joel? Jesus, your "I don't give a ####" attitude has become a droll affectation. If this game gives you no joy, why do you even bother playing?
Be a good person, for #$%& sake. This Lone Wolf persona is getting trite and annoying. |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 5:07 pm |
Smashing that solves the issue, in future you will enter leagues with no intention of working with people. I can see why your popularity grows.
And yes it is a DEBACLE, when no one can play a league with any real chance of having a meaningful result and fair competition because of someone rigging it for allied teams. Despite your protestations to the contrary I am still struggling to believe you had a busy week and are a bit thick as you suggest. It just isn't that hard to change a day on a clock. I think you may have even done it before. I believe you cynically turned me over to further the aims of your odd power game. Let's face you haven't offered any recompense or compensation for your behaviour. If I am wrong and it is just half-witted, lazy incompetence then I am very sorry for doubting you and I shall try to make allowances in the future. you know, padded walls, absorbent pants and a special nurse, that sort of thing! |
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*goat starer* Posted Jul 3, 2013, 10:06 pm |
I wasn't criticising your 'grammer' or typing... I was criticising your infantile rants and monthly dummy spitting rages that can only be hormonal. Although if you would like me to live up to your childish portrayal I could point out it's grammar not grammer. If anyone misses your points it will be because they stopped listening to your foul mouthed Shambolic ramblings years ago.. not because of your grasp of the language... You don't need much grasp of the language (french or English) to write **** every 5 words and if your married colleagues were running off to do unmentionable things I would venture to suggest it was probably to get away from you for 10 mins... They probably paid the waitress to get rid of you too.
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 4, 2013, 12:22 am |
I guess I can forgive anyone who thought that was a pissed off rant, perhaps there is in fact a cultural disconnect... It was intended humorous.
...In which case a battle cry of DIE POMMIE... is inevitable. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 4, 2013, 12:38 am |
Interesting I looked at my PMs and realized you sent your final time on the 27th, the day before our (server scheduled) match.... that's cutting it close anyway... seriously this is ridiculous that it took 6 days to come up a time that worked good for both of us, part of that is my fault yes, but I WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE YOU.
That was Thursday, - I was in training all day and then dinner and then teaching strippers about Nietzsche at night and not getting a chance to even read the PM until I checked into my own (non company) Hotel friday night. I missed the match too, but always have my squad set from the start of the season. If you set a squad you would have gotten a point ... i think if neither of us showed. Like holy #### man, I didn't even know the scheduled time of the fight we talked so much. Me taking this much forum guff for being awol for a day and a half - is REDICULOUS. |
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*Bastille* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 1:40 am |
hang on, Ill find you something else to gefuff about
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 2:09 am |
Can we hear more about the strippers?
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*Dark Tempest* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 3:22 am |
I'm just in it for the strippers. | ||||||
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JS Posted Jul 4, 2013, 3:29 am |
He told them about Nietzsche, they all laughed themselves to death. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 4, 2013, 5:23 am |
It was pretty funny for all. Certainly a running joke now. | ||||||
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 4, 2013, 7:04 am |
Dammit Joel! Just when U were getting cuddly! I do apreciate your facilitating a change for me, Despite not showing up and the unfortunate glitch that gave you the win anyway. Dont stop being decent just over Big Spender! Its still Okay to be a Richard IN an event... we expect that. But dang man! no time changes is harsh! |
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 9:08 am |
No, I'm ####ing serious, and I have another marshal that agrees.
Tell us more about the strippers. |
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 9:11 am |
Sam wills it.
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 11:23 am |
Joel Said
Interesting I looked at my PMs and realized you sent your final time on the 27th, the day before our (server scheduled) match.... This is true, my final desperate request was on the 27th. Not relevant but true. How about my reposte (a quick, clever reply to an insult or criticism. From the French for retort) to that irrelevant poorly researched and desperate defence; Quote: We have each other as opponents in the next SCL 5 match so I wanted to ask what times you can do, I am on server time so 00.30 is quite late, could you do earlier, also I am at a wedding that day and its a weekend long event as I am the best man so I will need to move the day too. Could you let me know what flexibility you have and I will try and accomodate you as best as possible. cheers Sure... but I am 8 time zones after you... what do you think? ......................... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent Jun 21, 2013, 11:19 pm This message was the first time I asked to change the day, over a week before, and there were many more between which of course you haven't quoted only the, final time I asked has been in your ridiculous defence. As if the first being omitted means that it and the all subsequent ones didn't happen. The fact remains you didn't change the day when asked repeatedly for over a week. Not only were you asked repeatedly but agreed to do so. The question only remains whether it was vindictive or inconsiderate True if I had ever played in the SCL before I would have known to set a squad even if it is for an event both parties have agreed to move. Just in case a fellow competitor uses my inexperience to lie to me. I am, unfortunately in this case, a trusting soul who takes people at there word. You remain, I am afraid, a person not to be trusted. I shall as ever rise above the issue and will always reschedule for everyone. I also appreciate the rest of you and your equally cooperative practices. I thank those that want a fair competition to enjoy for their time and for the fun we have had. I remain as always, with you, for you and one of you. |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 12:35 pm |
Ok ok we get it your POed jole did ya wrong and admitted he had his mined on strippers and getting some strange.
It's a dead horse and you will get your revenge one day soon. Now back to the nookey jole! |
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*Dark Tempest* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 1:29 pm |
Can I hear an Amen!? |
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*sam* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 3:30 pm |
Did these things happen recently? I fixed some glitches with SCLs about 2 weeks ago. |
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Juris Posted Jul 4, 2013, 3:49 pm |
I'm sure Joel is up for a death rematch
After all, as the wise stripper says: that which does not kill you makes you stronger |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 8:53 pm |
Sam I haven't had any gliche issues with the SCL its fine from my point of view but it would be good if there was a way we can get all matches to happen as it seems it can be engineered to win without competing.
I know the score now and I shall live with it. I am happy to help improve the system if you want someone to bounce things off. for example the instructions for new players are poor, I didn't know setting a squad got you a point even if you don't play and also when you set a squad it would be useful if it gave an indication that it was in fact set (eg a warning if there is something wrong with it). I will have a think and see if there are any other positive suggestions I can come up with because it is a fantastic league when everyone gets to play and is on a fair starting point. |
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*Splash* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 11:40 pm |
Except for syphilis. |
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*goat starer* Posted Jul 4, 2013, 11:50 pm |
if syphallis doesnt kill you it makes you stronger see = neal stephensons baroque trilogy |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jul 5, 2013, 12:00 am |
I lol'd (most people probably think you are talking about the strippers...) |
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*K1500* Posted Jul 5, 2013, 1:39 am |
You know, as much as I love Nietzsche, that is the one claim of his which is simply plain outright wrong - and it has been logically proven to be wrong as well (when applied to the real world). |
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*Bastille* Posted Jul 5, 2013, 4:04 am |
I believe that it does give you a warning if something is not right. These things are explained in the original threads I believe but not sure. From my experience (and memory.. which often fails me...) It will warn you: - for character skill over the cap it gives a warning. - For over total CR for the squad it will give you a warning. It will not warn you: - of incapacitated drivers or cars without drivers - No Tyres - If Your squad is not in the Home teams, Home town Always check your squad after you have set it, use the link provided. Go back to SCL (div) page and set again, to be sure. DO NOT TOUCH THAT SQUAD. If so, Id check again to make sure that it is set. Only time its failed me is when I was not int he home teams home town. POINTS: (if any of this is wrong, someone please point out, It might be good if this was clear somewhere on the SCL event pages) In the case that your team is set and neither show, this is a draw. Both teams get one point. If one team shows and not the other, the team that shows gets three points. No points for the now show. If both show.. Winner gets 3 points, I think the loser gets one point. Is that all correct? anyone? |
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*The X Man* Posted Jul 5, 2013, 7:14 am |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 5, 2013, 10:31 am |
Thanks Bastille I get that now but I agree with you it needs to be in a info tab or something on the SCL front page.
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 7, 2013, 12:34 am |
Joel, if you have some photos you could share with us, that would be sweet too.
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 7, 2013, 12:53 am |
From my experience this season no. In the case of Squidward squad vs Joel's squad, Joel no-show, my team there and waiting, joel got 3 points and we got zero. In the case of a disbanded team vs my team, we both got zero despite the fact that I was set and waiting. I do know you are right about the no-warning if you forget tires. Im my one event that did not have some glitch appear (like uncontrollable cars.or internal crits vs 18 points of armor) I ended up in a match with no tires. Although maybe there was a glitxh because it wouldnt let the event start, it counted down and then reset the countdown, and then reset it again and wouldnt start until I closed the client and rebooted. |
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*Bastille* Posted Jul 7, 2013, 3:03 am |
Im only refering to how its meant to be...
or should it state in the rules.. if you are on StCripins team, all results will be weighted in the oppositions favour. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 7, 2013, 6:28 am |
Yeah. But thats normal. It even screws me when im trying to beat my brother. The AI loves me alot too... I think they got tired of loving on Krak and decided it was my turn! |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Jul 7, 2013, 9:29 am |
Yeah yeah It's not the fact I'm better.
Lets not mention the tail turtling or making my car dance ok. I'm just better
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BrassFactory Posted Jul 7, 2013, 3:13 pm |
SCL could use a visible acknowledgement that your squad is set. St. Crispin isn't the only one with poor clicking skills. I always set my squads over and over to be sure it's registered (like an elevator button).
Also, SCL would benefit from the bottom three teams in a division being OUT OF THE LEAGUE, rather than down one division. The current system guarantees a big part of the game will be no shows. And strippers, |
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Kingpin Posted Jul 8, 2013, 12:47 am |
Did someone mention strippers?
After you successfully enter your squad you could have a confirmation screen where you are congratulated by a stripper ... doing what they do best! 
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*Rev. V* Posted Jul 8, 2013, 5:53 pm |
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Juris Posted Jul 8, 2013, 6:09 pm |
It does tell you when your squad is set As to your second point that is something I suggested a long time ago - as well as allowing people to create new SCL I-IV teams - because the current system creates a situation where most matches are against NPCs. I've also suggested getting rid of NPC teams altogether. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jul 8, 2013, 9:44 pm |
My browser looks the same AFTER I click "set squad" as it does after I pick it from the dropdown but BEFORE I click set squad.
It does show wether or not the opponent has set a squad or not. But it does not say if I have or not, or if I just have the squad showing in the box just because it was in the dropdown. At least in all other events you can pull the specific event up and see who is slated to join. Which I often do, to be sure my regestration "took" |
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BrassFactory Posted Jul 9, 2013, 2:40 am |
If mine tells me when my squad is set, I'm too stoopud to understand what it's saying.
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Racing Robbie Posted Jul 9, 2013, 10:25 am |
I think this might be to do with the browser that you use and it’s settings.
When I first tried to join the SCL V squad that BigS had put in, it won’t let me at all, the screen wouldn’t updated or change at all. This was on a Windows XP machine, with IE 8. But once I got on it with my Windows 7 laptop, with a newer version of IE on it – it worked fine. I have found this difference with other bits as well, but can I remember what – DOH! Oh, the other thing I found is that you have to make sure that the browser always loads the latest version of a page rather than using a cache version – this was very frustrating with the markets as they didn’t update. It took BigS buying a bus before I worked it out
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BrassFactory Posted Jul 9, 2013, 9:54 pm |
Are you saying that your browser displays a 'squad set' flag on your SCL squad? That I have not seen and can't think what browser setting would influence that.
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musashi_san Posted Jul 9, 2013, 10:13 pm |
i've never seen that, but i do see a big red "squad not set" when something is not right... | ||||||
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Blackwill Posted Jul 10, 2013, 12:04 am |
My page tells me when I have a squad set, and when the opponent has a squad set, and when we don't.
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BrassFactory Posted Jul 10, 2013, 12:33 am |
Interesting. Mine has a button below my team name that allows me to set a squad. But when I do, the button remains. It sets the squad for me, but there's no visual feedback. | ||||||
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Blackwill Posted Jul 10, 2013, 1:32 am |
Hmmmnn...I may have just assumed it told me my squad was set. I'll have to take another look.
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*The X Man* Posted Jul 10, 2013, 4:22 am |
I believe that once you press "set squad", that is all that happens. The squad will not be set if you go over CR, no vehicles in squad or use a ganger over cap, etc. It will then, flash the warning for you to correct it. Once those changes are made, it goes back as if you just set it by having the squad name in the box. |
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*Bigspenner* Posted Jul 15, 2013, 1:18 am |
once you have been playing a while it becomes more obvious but really needs to be set out for new playesr, A year in and I wasn't sure! | ||||||
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Necrotech Posted Aug 5, 2013, 2:10 pm |
Can somebody get back to the main point here ?
The Strippers! The longer I stare into the Abyss, the more the Abyss stares at my wallet. (Ok, that sounds more like happens after "breakfast") |
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*Bastille* Posted Aug 5, 2013, 2:42 pm |
shame shame, and you're worried about a BL - SF trip resulting in spilled drinks and divorce papers. |