*Tango* Posted Nov 10, 2015, 12:10 am	“And here, according to Trout, was the reason human beings could not reject ideas because they were bad: "Ideas on Earth were badges of friendship or enmity. Their content did not matter. Friends agreed with friends, in order to express friendliness. Enemies disagreed with enemies, in order to express enmity. "The ideas Earthlings held didn't matter for hundreds of thousands of years, since they couldn't do much about them anyway. Ideas might as well be badges as anything. "They even had a saying about the futility of ideas: 'If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.' "And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense or decency or self-preservation, but for friendliness. "Earthlings went on being friendly, when they should have been thinking instead. And even when they built computers to do some thinking for them, they designed them not so much for wisdom as for friendliness. So they were doomed. Homicidal beggars could ride.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 11, 2015, 12:27 am	I would have guessed Douglas Adams
NotSure Posted Nov 11, 2015, 2:46 am	Then Facebook was invented. We only saw the ideas we liked and that reinforced our belief system. Dissention was push aside automatically by the FB algorithm. before long we had polarization and civil war.
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 11, 2015, 6:45 am	ha ha, only for you people who have FB. Some of us don't.
*goat starer* Posted Nov 11, 2015, 9:45 am	*StCrispin* said: ha ha, only for you people who have FB. Some of us don't. Age limits
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 11, 2015, 8:54 pm	For me its because (years ago when I was in Army Intelligence) we were granted a backdoor access to FB for intel gathering. We were also informed that as Intel officers we were not allowed to maintain a FB account. Then in 2004 or so congress passed an oversight regulation granting that access only to civilian intel agencies. The military was no longer allowed to gather intel or track "American Peoples" (Citizens or illegals both fall into that catagoty, hence the lack of the use of the word "citizen") That's why I don't have FB, nor do I participate in more than a couple social networks. Im sure what I do is still plenty to track me. But im tracked anyway since I was trained by the Gvt to be a "Level 2 Anti-Terror Officer" which is another way of saying "Trained to be a terrorist but told not to actually be one until completing Level 4 training." Anyway No FB or Instagram or Snapchat or Twitter for me, thanks!
*goat starer* Posted Nov 11, 2015, 11:54 pm	Can't imagine why I assumed you were 12.... Oh! See above
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 13, 2015, 3:02 am	goat starer said: *StCrispin* said: ha ha, only for you people who have FB. Some of us don't. Age limits 12 year olds can't have FB?
*Boonwolf* Posted Nov 13, 2015, 10:39 am	Nope must be 13 to have FB but when has that stopped kids. Almost all my son's classmates had one at 9.
*sam* Posted Nov 13, 2015, 10:46 am	But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it?
PvtParty Posted Nov 13, 2015, 1:18 pm	*sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? Ah, but you forget, US Army Intelligence were using time travel to help them spy on terrorists...
NotSure Posted Nov 13, 2015, 11:45 pm	PvtParty said: *sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? Ah, but you forget, US Army Intelligence were using time travel to help them spy on terrorists... They were there since the beginning; http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos-19753
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 14, 2015, 3:58 am	*sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? It was around long before that but I only first heard of it in 2004 when they told Us we couldn't have an account because we were the ones funding it for spying purposes. I think I had a MySpace or GeoCities or something back then and wasn't interested in the "next best thing" anyway. Whatever the case we got a big briefing in the summer of 2004 and official documents saying we couldn't spy on Americans anymore (even though my unit wasn't.  We were protecting U.S. WMD storage sites in Utah and Washington instead while the president swore we didn't have WMDs but Saddam did.  what a laugh.  Double laugh considering we knew Saddam had WMDs because we - the USA - sold them to him in the first place.  But then he sold them to Assad.  and now look.  lol)
PvtParty Posted Nov 14, 2015, 11:12 am	*StCrispin* said: *sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? It was around long before that but I only first heard of it in 2004 when they told Us we couldn't have an account because we were the ones funding it for spying purposes. Hmm, strange your "intelligence gathering" doesn't seem to extend to the use of the internet... From Wikipedia: Quote: Facebook is an online social networking service headquartered in Menlo Park, California. Its website was launched on February 4, 2004 Again, from the same source: Quote: Zuckerberg wrote a program called Facemash* on October 28, 2003, while attending Harvard University as a sophomore (second year student) * Facebook’s predecessor
Muddy Flaps Posted Nov 14, 2015, 12:47 pm	*StCrispin* said: For me its because (years ago when I was in Army Intelligence) we were granted a backdoor access to FB for intel gathering.  We were also informed that as Intel officers... So you were cleared to know about the Army spying on its citizens?  And you knew about weapons that the president says did not exist?  But you didn't know you aren't supposed to talk about these things on the Internet? Shenanigans!
*goat starer* Posted Nov 14, 2015, 2:16 pm	*StCrispin* said: *sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? It was around long before that but I only first heard of it in 2004 when they told Us we couldn't have an account because we were the ones funding it for spying purposes. I think I had a MySpace or GeoCities or something back then and wasn't interested in the "next best thing" anyway. Whatever the case we got a big briefing in the summer of 2004 and official documents saying we couldn't spy on Americans anymore (even though my unit wasn't.  We were protecting U.S. WMD storage sites in Utah and Washington instead while the president swore we didn't have WMDs but Saddam did.  what a laugh.  Double laugh considering we knew Saddam had WMDs because we - the USA - sold them to him in the first place.  But then he sold them to Assad.  and now look.  lol) And the Pulitzer prize for fiction goes to...
*Longo* Posted Nov 14, 2015, 4:46 pm	goat starer said: *StCrispin* said: *sam* said: But FB was only founded in 2004 wasn't it? It was around long before that but I only first heard of it in 2004 when they told Us we couldn't have an account because we were the ones funding it for spying purposes. I think I had a MySpace or GeoCities or something back then and wasn't interested in the "next best thing" anyway. Whatever the case we got a big briefing in the summer of 2004 and official documents saying we couldn't spy on Americans anymore (even though my unit wasn't.  We were protecting U.S. WMD storage sites in Utah and Washington instead while the president swore we didn't have WMDs but Saddam did.  what a laugh.  Double laugh considering we knew Saddam had WMDs because we - the USA - sold them to him in the first place.  But then he sold them to Assad.  and now look.  lol) And the Pulitzer prize for fiction goes to...
*goat starer* Posted Nov 14, 2015, 5:49 pm	Longo... You are an American. You are pretty rational and sane. Are there a disproportionate number of fantasists, conspiracy theorists and loonies in the USA or does this game just attract them in some way?
*Snipe* Posted Nov 14, 2015, 6:20 pm	Us Americans have always been crazy........history proves and current times reinforce.
Muddy Flaps Posted Nov 14, 2015, 8:38 pm	goat starer said: ..Are there a disproportionate number of fantasists, conspiracy theorists and loonies in the USA or does this game just attract them in some way? Of all the great entertainment we have produced in the USA, nothing beats driving home late at night while listening to this show... http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 14, 2015, 10:51 pm	Muddy Flaps said: *StCrispin* said: For me its because (years ago when I was in Army Intelligence) we were granted a backdoor access to FB for intel gathering.  We were also informed that as Intel officers... So you were cleared to know about the Army spying on its citizens?  And you knew about weapons that the president says did not exist?  But you didn't know you aren't supposed to talk about these things on the Internet? Shenanigans! I know what I can say without falling under further scrutiny from Federal Marshals.  They DO come and visit occasionally.  Once they claimed they had information to the whereabouts of my lost black dog and I was like "I don't have a dog, try next door" and then they began questioning me with stupid questions.  they have tricked their way into my house before with the best double sided question "Can we come in and talk to you for a moment?"  Saying Yes means "Barge right in like a SWAT team" and saying no gives probable cause for them to barge right in like a SWAT team. Once one of them was allergic to cats, and I had 4 cats at that time.  That was funny.  except the part where they they violated the constitution and held me hostage in my own home for 4 hours while conducting an illegal warrantless search of my home and damaged my bedroom door when they thought dirty close behind it was a person and the tried to smash "him" into the wall. Their stated reason for the visit:  "No reason, just a courtesy visit"  then they asked what I thought of various authors ive never heard of, but assume are nut jobbers like those Anti-Semite dudes Another fun question:  Marshal looking at my Credit Card and asking me "who's Credit Card is this?"  Duh...  Or looking at my bag of Dice and asking "Whats in the dice bag"...  I said "uh...  Dice" anyway... Never trust the USA.
*goat starer* Posted Nov 15, 2015, 12:18 am	did any of the federal marshals look lke this?
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 15, 2015, 6:26 am	nope, But Tin Foil helmets DO shield against EMP. and as you know EMP can cause confusion and disorientation when they pass through the brain. Problem is that you need many multiple layers of shielding. So your tinfoil helmet would have to be something like 6 to 8 inches thick as a minimum and then you would look more like those Helmet Kids instead of that cool fellow!
*goat starer* Posted Nov 15, 2015, 1:47 pm	6 inch thick foil isn't foil... But if it were it would do nothing as EMP has absolutely no effect on biological systems... As I am sure they taught you at the Space Terrorism Ultra Perfection Induction Directorate. It must have been covered in your PhD equivalent super science for kids sessions.
JoniBoy Posted Nov 15, 2015, 3:19 pm	This thread is hilarious. We should have a whole forum about conspiracies.
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 15, 2015, 10:31 pm	Look up some information on HAARP. or on some of the non-lethal weapons being invented/tested/deployed One of the effects of exposure to EMP is disorientation. There are other effects as well. Try sending a large surge into an old Cathode Ray Tube Television set and have a trigger switch to shut it off as the surge enters the set but doesn't allow it to exit again. The set will emit an EMP burst from the screen and you will experience "lost time" disorientation if you are in front of it. And yes, this was done to us as a demonstration at Nuclear Biological Chemical Defense School. Ive also had it occur accidentally while trying to run my TV off my Solar Panels. The Key to the tinfoil has something to do with the reflecting properties of multiple layers. kind of like how Kevlar will deflect bullets but in its single layer form it is merely a plastic wrap similar to saran wrap. (Kevlar is like a Samurai sword, many folded layers of thin flexible plastic. It is oriented in differing directions and it has other properties to it as well making it also much like fiberglass.)
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 15, 2015, 10:33 pm	The funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that their raw data is 90% accurate, but somehow they always conclude that it means all the world leaders are space aliens or something crazy. Which leads to the conspiracy theory that all conspiracy theorists are just disinformation agents working for the same people they claim to be exposing. lol.
*goat starer* Posted Nov 15, 2015, 11:21 pm	*StCrispin* said: Look up some information on HAARP. or on some of the non-lethal weapons being invented/tested/deployed One of the effects of exposure to EMP is disorientation.  There are other effects as well.  Try sending a large surge into an old Cathode Ray Tube Television set and have a trigger switch to shut it off as the surge enters the set but doesn't allow it to exit again.  The set will emit an EMP burst from the screen and you will experience "lost time" disorientation if you are in front of it. And yes, this was done to us as a demonstration at Nuclear Biological Chemical Defense School.  Ive also had it occur accidentally while trying to run my TV off my Solar Panels. The Key to the tinfoil has something to do with the reflecting properties of multiple layers.  kind of like how Kevlar will deflect bullets but in its single layer form it is merely a plastic wrap similar to saran wrap.  (Kevlar is like a Samurai sword, many folded layers of thin flexible plastic.  It is oriented in differing directions and it has other properties to it as well making it also much like fiberglass.) You are a very funny man... And a very funny man witb a very tenuous grasp of reality and physics. Keep up the good work!
*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Nov 16, 2015, 1:55 am	You know what the US Army used as targets for testing Artillery Munitions as well as Chemical Weapons (VX Nerve agent mostly)??? Goats
Groovelle Posted Nov 16, 2015, 6:05 am	My cat's breath smells like cat food.