*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Jun 18, 2009, 9:45 pm	God this looks amazing 2012 who says the worlds governments arnt trying to warn us
Groove Champion Posted Jun 19, 2009, 12:00 am	I think the universe would fall over laughing at the human race if our entertainment industry was quicker to warn us of natural disasters than our governments. ... or maybe they'd fall over crying at our stupidity. ... or maybe this movie is a bunch of lies and we should laugh at it.
*jimmylogan* Posted Jun 19, 2009, 1:46 am	Wow - very cool trailer! It's not a new thing that the Mayans gave that date...
Mad Mike Posted Jun 19, 2009, 1:56 am	the mayans didnt have compouters so when they wrote out the calender they had to stop sometime, damn, imagine if you had to chisel that calendar and were told you could never stop
Jaguar Posted Jun 19, 2009, 2:50 am	Either the movie ends with everyone dying or the movie ends with a few survivors of all nations gathered together in a new world looking at the rising sun together as a message of hope and unity of humanity in the aftermath of something that affects us all. Also, the only reason the Mayans stopped at that date is because they had no reason to go beyond that - their calender system ends there because they were already using very high number symbols. It'd be like saying the world ends in 9999 simply because we don't usually bother with 5 digit years. Or, if you want to be even more accurate, 2012 was only important to those pre-Columbian Mayan civilizations because it marked the end of a 5000+ year cosmic cycle. But beyond that, it had no significance to them, most likely. Just when one cycle ends and another begins.
Groove Champion Posted Jun 19, 2009, 3:10 am	Poppy####! Who are you going to believe? Trusty Hollywood producers or a bunch of feathered medicine men?
t0rp0r Posted Jun 19, 2009, 4:13 am	Oh great, yet another movie whose only purpose is to serve as a vehicle for a special effects budget the size of Kentucky, whose sole purpose is to blow up famous monuments. Thank you, director of Independence Day and Day after Tomorrow. You really know how to spin a good yarn.
Jaguar Posted Jun 19, 2009, 4:39 am	t0rp0r said: Oh great, yet another movie whose only purpose is to serve as a vehicle for a special effects budget the size of Kentucky, whose sole purpose is to blow up famous monuments. Thank you, director of Independence Day and Day after Tomorrow. You really know how to spin a good yarn. Hey, if blowing up the White House worked the first two times... :P
*Lugal* Posted Jun 19, 2009, 7:50 am	Speaking of monuments as a movie mechanic, I've noticed that anytime they want to quickly portray something spreading globally*, they show it at the Champs du Mars / Eiffel Tower. *Zombies in 48 Weeks Later, the spore thingy in The Happening, etc.
Jaguar Posted Jun 19, 2009, 8:48 am	*Lugal* said: Speaking of monuments as a movie mechanic, I've noticed that anytime they want to quickly portray something spreading globally*, they show it at the Champs du Mars / Eiffel Tower. *Zombies in 48 Weeks Later, the spore thingy in The Happening, etc. It's one of the most recognizable landmarks. Same as with most stock international stuff that gets blown up.
*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Jun 19, 2009, 9:46 am	I like things blowing up im an easy to please kinda guy Now google planet x / Niburu ... come on guys dont you want the arockalypse to happen, i have my matt black paint all primed
lordbam Posted Jun 19, 2009, 11:23 am	I think it will be a lame disaster movie like the "day after tomorrow". What i want to see is the world destroyed and only a handful of survivors trying to build a society. aka: mad max, waterworld(lame),postman, dawn of the dead, 28 days later...
*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Jun 19, 2009, 11:26 am	lordbam said: I think it will be a lame disaster movie like the "day after tomorrow". What i want to see is the world destroyed and only a handful of survivors trying to build a society. aka: mad max, waterworld(lame),postman, dawn of the dead, 28 days later... you forgot one Darkwind
*Chase Bansi* JohnBMan033@aol.com Posted Jun 19, 2009, 2:19 pm	I admit it, I am a doomsdayist. I grew up near the Hopi Indian reservation and they have a similar 'end of times' scenario, that coincides with the same time frame. Add in the prophecies of Nostradamus and a few other cultural myths and there is some validity to the 2012 date. Or it's all complete coincidence. In any case I am torn between my basic survivalist instinct with our overly romanticized view of a post apocalyptic world and an almost suicidal desire to be at ground zero of whatever the disaster is. Don't forget the Yellowstone caldera is at the end of it's 62,000 year cycle.
pweelg Posted Jun 19, 2009, 6:15 pm	lordbam said: I think it will be a lame disaster movie like the "day after tomorrow". What i want to see is the world destroyed and only a handful of survivors trying to build a society. aka: mad max, waterworld(lame),postman, dawn of the dead, 28 days later... Surely you mean Shaun of the dead
*Lugal* Posted Jun 20, 2009, 9:40 am	Jaguar said: It's one of the most recognizable landmarks. That's precisely my point; it's perhaps The most internationally recognizable landmark, hence it's usage as that device. It's become a joke in our family; to quote my wife while watching The Happening: "Yup, there's the Eiffel Tower.  They're f***ed now."  *earlier I meant 28 Weeks Later.  Me brain got confused with the 48 Hours movies.
4saken Posted Jun 21, 2009, 4:19 am	*Lugal* said: *earlier I meant 28 Weeks Later.  Me brain got confused with the 48 Hours movies.  Your brain is also confusing 28 Weeks Later with something resembling a movie. You could prank people by putting the DVD of it in a bag, setting it on fire, and throwing on someone's porch. Then when they come out they'll step in it trying to put out the fire! Anyway 2012 looks like mindless drivel but the special effects look awesome. I think the tidal wave/aircraft carrier sequence alone would be worth seeing. Though I wish sometimes Hollywood would concentrate on the story for a change... PS - Alot of the Hopi Indian "prophecies" were written circa 1959 after most of it went down. Sadly probably fake, much like the emotionally powerful letter from Chief Seattle to George Washington.
tecnoscythe Joshua_Poggi@Yahoo.com Posted Jul 6, 2009, 7:25 pm	well the mayans coudnt of made the calender go on for ever thats impossible without the writing of it through over 100000000000 centuries i mean c'mon they have to stop one time
halflingstew Posted Jul 6, 2009, 10:38 pm	12-21-2012 is my 47th birthday. Hopefully I'll be too drunk to notice those four guys and their horses... As to the Eiffel Tower, c'mon! Who doesn't love seeing the French get smacked?
*Bastille* Posted Jul 6, 2009, 11:12 pm	I like seeing the French smack Americans
Jaguar Posted Jul 7, 2009, 7:12 am	tecnoscythe said: well the mayans coudnt of made the calender go on for ever thats impossible without the writing of it through over 100000000000 centuries i mean c'mon they have to stop one time Any calender goes on forever - it's just a system of numbers. The point being is that it's usually not necessary to set a date, say, a million (or even a thousand) years in the future since no one live now will be around then to care. For instance, there's nothing stopping the Gregorian calender (the system most use now) from being say... January 1, 10000 except for the fact that most people will probably stop for a second at a 5 digit year. Every modern system outside of academia doesn't even support it - and for good reason. Do you think you'll be using your computer 7991 years from now? The only time it's relevant is for scientific purposes, ritual, spiritual, or religious purposes.
lordbam Posted Jul 7, 2009, 9:07 am	Bastiel said: I like seeing the French smack Americans the mouse that roared
Six Gun Jack Posted Jul 7, 2009, 6:59 pm	looks ok, and will probably be entertaining. But it looks too politicaly correct and full of hopefullness. what happened to just the downright anarchic view of the apocalypse like in mad max. People are going to turn ugly, its not about how many landmarks are going to be destroyed, its about what happens to humanity's values and sense of morality. Ah for the days of acting over special effects and computer animation.
tecnoscythe Joshua_Poggi@Yahoo.com Posted Jul 8, 2009, 8:37 pm	well the mayan callender was first created as a very simple yet complex stoneslab with numbers and dates set in three rows a stone slab can only hold such dates intill it times out which could have been any time 2014,2018,2056,maybe even 2178 but it still has to stop if that one stone slap represents there calender
Jaguar Posted Jul 9, 2009, 5:08 am	tecnoscythe said: well the mayan callender was first created as a very simple yet complex stoneslab with numbers and dates set in three rows a stone slab can only hold such dates intill it times out which could have been any time 2014,2018,2056,maybe even 2178 but it still has to stop if that one stone slap represents there calender Your confusing a physical implementation with the conceptual idea behind it. That would be like saying that time restarts every year because you have to buy a new calender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar Quote: In theory, this system could readily be extended to delineate any length of time desired, by simply adding to the number of higher-order place markers used (and thereby generating an ever-increasing sequence of day-multiples, each day in the sequence uniquely identified by its Long Count number). In practice, most Maya Long Count inscriptions confine themselves to noting only the first 5 coefficients in this system (a b'ak'tun-count), since this was more than adequate to express any historical or current date (with an equivalent span of approximately 5125 solar years). Even so, example inscriptions exist which noted or implied lengthier sequences, indicating that the Maya well understood a linear (past-present-future) conception of time.