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I'm with Longo on this one. There's give and take here, even though you're competing with someone.  If you act like a jerk in rescheduling this time, you know just what to expect next time when the roles are reversed and you need to reschedule.

One change that's probably worth doing though with the system-chosen times is (a) find a time that both camps are open (if possible), and failing that (b) find a time that's as close as possible to when both are open?


I would be with longo on this were it not a simple fact that the worst US players get from Europe camp hours is an afternoon slot. We get 4am from theirs.

Finding a time that is as close to both as possible is likely to make that worse.

How about camps get to choose certain hours that cannot be chosen? 8 hours open, 8 hours neutral, 8 hours unavailable... And the server chooses:

1st) a time when both are open

If impossible..

2nd) a time when the defending camp is open that is in the neutral times for the attacker

3rd) a time when the defending camp is neutral and the attacking camp is open

4th) a time when both are neutral



Yeah, this makes sense. It will take a bit of work so hopefully I'll have it in before next Friday.


This doesnt make sense. I have to set 16 hours aside a day for Darkwind. I work 10. I TRY to sleep 6. That leaves about 8 hours a day for me to do everything else, including Darkwind. Not all of us work from home and are flexible. As I said before, if your not a jerk scheduling can be adjusted to benefit both. If your a jerk and dont negotiate the time, it will eventually bite you back. The attacker has the ability to see the defenders hours before he attacks. He can, under your new coding, effectively open his camp up for one of the defender's hours and make that time the battle time. Thats a pretty good option.

 


I think you're missing the point. As Ninesticks said, this change would be giving you more opportunity to influence the time - on top of the ones you *want* to use for camp wars (which is all you have now), you'd also get to say ones which you definitely do *not* want. Therefore the system has more info to pick a time which is not terrible for you.  The fallback is, as always, a re-negotiation of the time between the 2 owners.

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The attacker has the ability to see the defenders hours before he attacks. He can, under your new coding, effectively open his camp up for one of the defender's hours and make that time the battle time. Thats a pretty good option.


That's a good point.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 6:16 pm
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It is painfully clear, whatever goat says, get's implemented.


Bull####


Lol... If only he knew all the nonsense I suggest!

But seriously...

I think the issue here may be that, being an award winning games designer with a trophy and all, my suggestions are always awesome.  B)

Other people simply need to up their suggestions game.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 8:40 pm
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*sam* said:
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I'm with Longo on this one. There's give and take here, even though you're competing with someone.  If you act like a jerk in rescheduling this time, you know just what to expect next time when the roles are reversed and you need to reschedule.

One change that's probably worth doing though with the system-chosen times is (a) find a time that both camps are open (if possible), and failing that (b) find a time that's as close as possible to when both are open?


I would be with longo on this were it not a simple fact that the worst US players get from Europe camp hours is an afternoon slot. We get 4am from theirs.

Finding a time that is as close to both as possible is likely to make that worse.

How about camps get to choose certain hours that cannot be chosen? 8 hours open, 8 hours neutral, 8 hours unavailable... And the server chooses:

1st) a time when both are open

If impossible..

2nd) a time when the defending camp is open that is in the neutral times for the attacker

3rd) a time when the defending camp is neutral and the attacking camp is open

4th) a time when both are neutral



Yeah, this makes sense. It will take a bit of work so hopefully I'll have it in before next Friday.


This doesnt make sense. I have to set 16 hours aside a day for Darkwind. I work 10. I TRY to sleep 6. That leaves about 8 hours a day for me to do everything else, including Darkwind. Not all of us work from home and are flexible. As I said before, if your not a jerk scheduling can be adjusted to benefit both. If your a jerk and dont negotiate the time, it will eventually bite you back. The attacker has the ability to see the defenders hours before he attacks. He can, under your new coding, effectively open his camp up for one of the defender's hours and make that time the battle time. Thats a pretty good option.

 


I think you're missing the point. As Ninesticks said, this change would be giving you more opportunity to influence the time - on top of the ones you *want* to use for camp wars (which is all you have now), you'd also get to say ones which you definitely do *not* want. Therefore the system has more info to pick a time which is not terrible for you.  The fallback is, as always, a re-negotiation of the time between the 2 owners.

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The attacker has the ability to see the defenders hours before he attacks. He can, under your new coding, effectively open his camp up for one of the defender's hours and make that time the battle time. Thats a pretty good option.


That's a good point.


Is it.. how do I get to see the defenders opening hours?
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*goat starer* said:
Is it.. how do I get to see the defenders opening hours?
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I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.
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*goat starer* said:
I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 9:25 pm
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*goat starer* said:
I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


Sure! I'll do it by Thursday.
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Joel Autobaun said:
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I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?
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*goat starer* said:
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I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 9:42 pm
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i think hes just nervous, that 13800 cr is going to be bearing down on his camp from one direction while bill cr is comming from another, but thats just my guess.
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i think hes just nervous, that 13800 cr is going to be bearing down on his camp from one direction while bill cr is comming from another, but thats just my guess.


bbbbut I thought we had a deal??  :(
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Joel Autobaun said:
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I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.


You mean the one where I reminded you about the discussion you were part of about the potential sanctions for exploits and time griefing?

I was being helpful. I know you didn't really want to incur that stuff and I thought it might help to remind you about the things we discussed whilst you were wasting the time of 4 people (and you) and trying to use an obvious exploit to score a pointless win.

Next time i will do it in open chat but j didn't want to make you look a bit silly in.public for doing things you had actively participated in a discussion about avoiding.

Apologies if my attempt to help offended you. I will not do.it again.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 9:52 pm Last edited Jun 7, 2020, 9:55 pm by *goat starer*
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*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
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I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.


You mean the one where I reminded you about the discussion you were part of about the potential sanctions for exploits and time griefing?

I was being helpful. I know you didn't really want to incur that stuff and I thought it might help to remind you about the things we discussed whilst you were wasting the time of 4 people (and you) and trying to use an obvious exploit to score a pointless win.

Next time i will do it in open chat but j didn't want to make you look a bit silly in.public for doing things you had actively participated in a discussion about avoiding.

Apologies if my attempt to help offended you. I will not do.it again.


Ok great , thanks.  Would be helpful to get the PMs from Sam explaining I should not show up for matches or else I am time griefing.  I dont need to hear this from you....another player (supposedly or game designer??)
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 9:56 pm Last edited Jun 7, 2020, 10:04 pm by Joel Autobaun
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Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.


You mean the one where I reminded you about the discussion you were part of about the potential sanctions for exploits and time griefing?

I was being helpful. I know you didn't really want to incur that stuff and I thought it might help to remind you about the things we discussed whilst you were wasting the time of 4 people (and you) and trying to use an obvious exploit to score a pointless win.

Next time i will do it in open chat but j didn't want to make you look a bit silly in.public for doing things you had actively participated in a discussion about avoiding.

Apologies if my attempt to help offended you. I will not do.it again.


Ok great , thanks.  Would be helpful to get the PMs from Sam explaining I should not show up for matches or else I am time griefing.  I dont need to hear this from you....another player (supposedly or game designer??)


'Award winning' please. I don't forget your honourifics.

Showing up for matches isn't time griefing. Showing up with no intention to play competitively is (especially when you know it is 5am where your opponents live and you refused to renegotiate times and you know they have a 16 to 1 CR advantage).

But you know this.. because you were in the video meeting where we discussed it.

So let's just put it in the past and we can all play nicely in the future. We have forgiven you. If you felt offended by my pointing out that you were doing things that you agreed were an obvious issue then I hope you can forgive me too.

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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 10:13 pm
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*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.


You mean the one where I reminded you about the discussion you were part of about the potential sanctions for exploits and time griefing?

I was being helpful. I know you didn't really want to incur that stuff and I thought it might help to remind you about the things we discussed whilst you were wasting the time of 4 people (and you) and trying to use an obvious exploit to score a pointless win.

Next time i will do it in open chat but j didn't want to make you look a bit silly in.public for doing things you had actively participated in a discussion about avoiding.

Apologies if my attempt to help offended you. I will not do.it again.


Ok great , thanks.  Would be helpful to get the PMs from Sam explaining I should not show up for matches or else I am time griefing.  I dont need to hear this from you....another player (supposedly or game designer??)


'Award winning' please. I don't forget your honourifics.

Showing up for matches isn't time griefing. Showing up with no intention to play competitively is (especially when you know it is 5am where your opponents live and you refused to renegotiate times and you know they have a 16 to 1 CR advantage).

But you know this.. because you were in the video meeting where we discussed it.

So let's just put it in the past and we can all play nicely in the future. We have forgiven you. If you felt offended by my pointing out that you were doing things that you agreed were an obvious issue then I hope you can forgive me too.



It was competitive.  Camp David got 15 fame for the match.  Most people would think that's worth it.  I'm sorry we didn't just roll over for you - but it looks like things are going to be easier.  Try to be happier when you are easily winning.
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Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
*goat starer* said:
I don't see that when I click.on a camp. But surely removing it would be really easy.


By Friday no doubt.


You seem angry about something? Was it forgetting to put crew in your car?

Is there anything I can do to help?


Would be great if you refrain from PMs during matches Threatening Sam's wrath.  That would help immensely.


You mean the one where I reminded you about the discussion you were part of about the potential sanctions for exploits and time griefing?

I was being helpful. I know you didn't really want to incur that stuff and I thought it might help to remind you about the things we discussed whilst you were wasting the time of 4 people (and you) and trying to use an obvious exploit to score a pointless win.

Next time i will do it in open chat but j didn't want to make you look a bit silly in.public for doing things you had actively participated in a discussion about avoiding.

Apologies if my attempt to help offended you. I will not do.it again.


Ok great , thanks.  Would be helpful to get the PMs from Sam explaining I should not show up for matches or else I am time griefing.  I dont need to hear this from you....another player (supposedly or game designer??)


'Award winning' please. I don't forget your honourifics.

Showing up for matches isn't time griefing. Showing up with no intention to play competitively is (especially when you know it is 5am where your opponents live and you refused to renegotiate times and you know they have a 16 to 1 CR advantage).

But you know this.. because you were in the video meeting where we discussed it.

So let's just put it in the past and we can all play nicely in the future. We have forgiven you. If you felt offended by my pointing out that you were doing things that you agreed were an obvious issue then I hope you can forgive me too.



It was competitive.  Camp David got 15 fame for the match.  Most people would think that's worth it.  I'm sorry we didn't just roll over for you - but it looks like things are going to be easier.  Try to be happier when you are easily winning.


I'm not clear here.. you are trying to justify time griefing an opponent and using an exploit on the basis that you got a benefit from it? This doesn't seem likely to be a productive line of reasoning.

like i said we have forgiven you. Its probably time to move on.
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Posted Jun 7, 2020, 10:21 pm Last edited Jun 7, 2020, 10:22 pm by *goat starer*
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I'm not clear here.. you are trying to justify time griefing an opponent and using an exploit on the basis that you got a benefit from it? This doesn't seem likely to be a productive line of reasoning.

like i said we have forgiven you. Its probably time to move on.


I agree let's be clear : I am time griefing because I showed up for a match?

There is nothing to forgive.
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*goat starer* said:

Showing up for matches isn't time griefing. Showing up with no intention to play competitively is (especially when you know it is 5am where your opponents live and you refused to renegotiate times and you know they have a 16 to 1 CR advantage).




Didn’t Joel kill 2 HOFers while fighting 10 to 1 odds? If that isn’t playing competitive, I don’t know what is. Maybe you were exploiting because he did so much damage to you, it could be argued that you were not playing competitive, or are really, really, bad at pvp battles ?
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I'm not clear here.. you are trying to justify time griefing an opponent and using an exploit on the basis that you got a benefit from it? This doesn't seem likely to be a productive line of reasoning.

like i said we have forgiven you. Its probably time to move on.


I agree let's be clear : I am time griefing because I showed up for a match?

There is nothing to forgive.


Thats right Joel! we are getting somewhere. showing up to a battle you should have conceded, when you had no intention of engaging with us or trying to win the match (especially with the time neg and anti social hours issues) is time griefing. As you discussed with us on a video call that would be an obvious way to time grief people and, as you discussed during that call it needs to have penalties. I think its fair that you got away with it this time - it is after all early days and we are all learning stuff.

thanks fr your kind comment.. we didn't think we did anything wrong but its nice to hear it from you.

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Showing up for matches isn't time griefing. Showing up with no intention to play competitively is (especially when you know it is 5am where your opponents live and you refused to renegotiate times and you know they have a 16 to 1 CR advantage).




Didn’t Joel kill 2 HOFers while fighting 10 to 1 odds? If that isn’t playing competitive, I don’t know what is. Maybe you were exploiting because he did so much damage to you, it could be argued that you were not playing competitive, or are really, really, bad at pvp battles ?


did he? who against?

to date we have lost precisely 0 PVP battles. We seem to be very good at them.
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