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If that was easy to answer, someone smarter than me would have already :cyclops:

Honestly, I have no idea how to make it work.

Having single player entries instead of teams has benefits and drawbacks

So does shoving everyone into one bracket

So does using AI to fill out leagues

So does pretty much anything else
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:37 am
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*Serephe* said:
Someone mentioned making it single player entries instead of teams, too.


That would make the scheduling of combats much harder. The idea of 3-person teams is so that you can, between you, be pretty sure of making it to the combat each week.

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Perhaps that would be a better way to start the leagues, than allowing 3 people per team -- which means 1/3rd the ammount og teams we could have otherwise.


You may have missed the earlier announcement - we're now allowing you to be a member of multiple teams, as long as you're only the leader of one and as along as you're not a member of more than one in a single division.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:37 am
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FireFly said:
How about this then, All points scored against the AI is halved, that should balance it to some extent right?

(AI vs AI would also be halved, of course)



I don't understand why you'd do this. It's a round-robin league where everyone plays everyone else once, so we all play AIs the same amount.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:39 am
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I dont like the idea of AI either :(
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:40 am
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We could reduce the number of teams in each division.. to 6, maybe.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:45 am Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 11:48 am by *sam*
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I say use the AI as fillers for now, it's a solid workaround, Just make them worth less points, if you don't like the AI fights, just consider them scouts or something like that, You'll still fight your share of other people...

And No, reducing the entry numbers is not the way to go, because sooner or later, your going to have to increase the numbers for, lets say, Div 5 if this thing catches on...

By the way, I plan to join multiple teams, so that list ain't complete just yet ;)
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:47 am Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 11:48 am by FireFly
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We could reduce the number of teams in each division.. to 6, maybe. Two promotions/relegations rather than 3.


Better idea than anything I've come up with... see, this is why you're the one with the money.  :cyclops:
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 11:47 am Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 11:48 am by *Serephe*
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I would just handle the promotion/relegation manually


Sure, that's what I was intending. But that doesn't answer my question to sere: who gets promoted? if we're all in Div 5 I can't promote 3 into Div 4 as that leaves Div 4 unviable. And I can't have a system where people don't know where the cutoff for promotion is, that would be chaotic.

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Stick everyone in division 5 until it fills up, then open up division four and put half the people in there


It's not that simple.. as FF says, people have chosen their divisions and I can't arbitrarily move them to a different one.


Well, if I was running things my responses would be "yeah, so?" and "of course you can, they'll just have to lump it".  But then you're a lot nicer than I am :)
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 12:32 pm
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Whats the point of AI its not like they are not easy to beat, if i want to fight AI i would scout or join any of the number of combats etc.

put everyone into one division, make it human only PVP or what really is the point, apart from major high gain for no risk ( again )
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 12:51 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 12:51 pm by *Grograt*
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Imagine if you will...

...a league where everyone started out as rookie gangers...let's call it...

Amateur Night.

Then...everyone fights it out in IDENTICAL vehicles...say, Marley with GG's.

Participants are graded on amount of damage done, enemies killed/demo'd, overall position at finish of each competition.

Once they hit "X" number of EVENT FAME points [ yes, you'll have to make that ], then they can advance to the next tier in the competition.

The prizes scale up each tier. You MUST start in the Amateur Night events. Nobody starts in upper tiers.

Instead of 'fixed' events: all participants choose two days to have competition each week, adjudicate an agreed upon time, and go at it. If no time can be reached, His Lord High and Mighty Man Behind the Curtain just sets them. Be there or be square.

At Division 5...the "Pro" level, vehicle selection is totally at player's choice, within defined CR limits. Only characters who have earned the prerequisite Fame can join Div' 5 events.

This way, everyone starts out the same, and it's skill and effort that advance their gangers. Prizes scale according to the Division, with the great "Yoda" prize available only in Division 5. Since this prize is NOT a thing that gets shoved into your ganger's head, but 'specialized' advanced training, it can be awarded to ANY ganger in the winner's crew, not just those who earned it.

Sound familiar Car Wars players?

That way, everyone could enter without stupid ridiculous entry fees. Play would be level with the only difference being skill of the real players. Luck and skill would be the order of the day. Vehicles are all identical, so no advantage is given there in the lower tiers.

When it reaches Pro-level, the gloves come off. Run what ya brung.

And an OTB setup would be fun, but totally exploitable by the usual suspects, so betting ain't a great idea.

For extra fun; add Challenge Matches. For those really motivated persons, they can challenge an opponent one on one, once or twice a week. These fights would be TO THE DEATH...not submission, but would garner additional Fame bonusses.

Also, with this system, if you suffer a catastrophic loss in the lower Divisions, you could field another rookie team and jump right back into the fight, since only those who EARN prerequisite levels of League Fame advance to the next tier.

At the end of a 'year,' prizes are awarded for top teams/gangers based on total accumulated Fame.

.02, but worth so, so much more.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 12:52 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 12:56 pm by Damon_Angel
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Damon, must you always come in and try to completely change how something works...?

And gro, why throw everyone in the same division, hell, we have more than 10 teams now, that wont even fit anymore.


Alright, I can see why you would like everyone to start in the same division, and that would make sense... after a server restart...

Some gangs are larger and richer than others, to me, it makes perfect sense for them to fight in the leagues with higher CR and Skillcaps.

It's like giving goat a couple of raccoons and telling him he can only scout with that for a week :p
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 12:54 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:00 pm by FireFly
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Yes, FF, because I think of 'down the road,' not just what's going to keep you from being bored NOW.

It's called proactive vs reactive.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 12:59 pm
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And here I thought that keeping myself from getting bored is why I (And others) play games :rolleyes:
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:06 pm
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The majority of teams are signing up for leagues 4 and 5, hence utilising those leagues for now.

And gro, why throw everyone in the same division, hell, we have more than 10 teams now, that wont even fit anymore.

Buying your way in to a top tier just feels inherently wrong. Earn your status don't pay for it
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:22 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:24 pm by *Grograt*
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I don't know gro, over 10 people signed up for the 1&2, several of the teams in 4&5 consist of 1 player, don't count the high tier out yet :)

I don't see it as buying myself in really, many competitions have "Entry Fee's" that correspond with what you can win, the better the prices, the higher the entry fee.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:23 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:24 pm by FireFly
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it is supposedly a league not a prize competiton but of course you can only see the prize and not what sam is trying to achieve can you

your way or the highway again...i give up
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:25 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:27 pm by *Grograt*
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Your exactly the same gro, don't try to deny it.

Prizes are incentives to fight, prices are a goal, also, you trying to force everyone to compete in the lowest tier is the same as me wanting to fight in the higher tier.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:27 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:28 pm by FireFly
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No Firefly i only want to see the game improve, you just want to see yourself improve.

Is this not all to attempt to kick in PVP or have you forgotten that, if i wanted prizes i wouldn't have entered the division i did, i just want a challenge, where as you just want the prize
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:28 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:29 pm by *Grograt*
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Your saying fighting Longo and Latte for first place wont be a challenge?
Way to destroy your own argument there.

Also, You want to see the the game improve along what you think is the best, that does not mean it is the best way, same could be said about my arguments.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:37 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:37 pm by FireFly
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Just to remind you, after this first season, the only division you will be able to add a new entry to is Div#5. The reason I let people join higher up ones this time was to get the whole thing set up.
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Posted Feb 22, 2010, 1:44 pm Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 1:44 pm by *sam*
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