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Squad Combat Leagues

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 FireFly said: Cause, again, neither of the guys on my team and me have proper lower skilled characters, and I bet others would have that issue to... You have people that are not at the maximum for that Div, but that would fit anyway, so I don't think this is relevant. Quote: Anyway,  I think there will be some pretty fierce competition in Div 1 The more people you have playing, the fiercer the competition, and the more people that get to play and enjoy... ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 2:50 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Jimmy, what is your point? I don't see why restricting the higher div's in favor of low ones has any benefit whatsoever... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:06 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Because nobody is signing up for the higher ones let alone the lower ones, this isnt all about you Firefly, others play as well, remember !!!! ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:15 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 3:17 pm by *Grograt*

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 '...' FF does that symbolise that you have paused to actually consider what you are putting and answered your own question? Just in case it doesn't given the lack of take-up in the combat leagues it is perhaps wiser to go for the leagues that have a wider appeal/accessibility. The lower leagues are just that, more accessible in terms of crew risk, entry fee, and amount of CR that a player/team will need to control. Additionally is it possible that the idea is that players progess through the leagues via promotion? This gives a long-term game goal. Of course when the league first starts you have to cater for the fact that not necessarily everyone will fit in to the lower league(s) and you plan to open all the leagues up (hence the entry fees to deter frivolous entries for example). When this doesn't occur, as it is in this case, see the point above. Also do you think that the prizes like that offered in Division 1 should be available for fighting, what it would appear to be at this stage (say your team and Longo's), one single PvP combat? Seriously? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:22 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Ever thought that there are people who don't want to fight in the lowest tier, when the caps are so strict? The lowest tier basically limits your team to 3 phoenixes with Gatling guns, and I'm unsure that even fits. Not to mention, the newer people, the ones the lower tier is setup for, will still have a helluva problem if all the vets are fighting in there, and that in turn will make them less probable to join. Do this, have 1 high tier, and 1 low tier open to start with, se who signs up for what one, lets say, have 1 or 2 and 5 or 4 open to begin with. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:30 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 3:40 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 I dont think the higher leagues should be open now, keep the two lower leagues 4 and 5 wait for up take then open higher leagues, and the prizes in those are too high for a competition that is not full, a league shouldn't run if it hasn't a certain minimum amount of teams or this is open to abuse ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:34 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 3:35 pm by *Grograt*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Grograt* said: I dont think the higher leagues should be open now, keep the two lower leagues 4 and 5 wait for up take then open higher leagues, and the prizes in those are too high for a competition that is not full, a league shouldn't run if it hasn't a certain minimum amount of teams or this is open to abuse Like there will be any competition if you fight your way up, there will still only be a max of 3 people advancing, and the next "Year" one of them will get knocked down, leaving 1 or two people in the next tier, it just doesn't work... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:36 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 without take up, the leagues are not going to work anyway, but giving out major prizes to the odd two or three gangs is wrong ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:49 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 And forcing players to play in the lowest leagues, were the rewards are insignificant to them, is also wrong... ... I think this needs rethinking... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:08 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 no i am not trying to force anyone to play, if you dont like the prizes back out i am sure sam will reimburse your start up money, but giving you or anybody else the prizes in the top tier for no work just the ability to pay for start up is wrong. Again i consider your arguments to be self serving and to be very honest it is boring me. The leagues are a brilliant idea, but without full take up ( stated again ) there should not be the large prizes for the odd few ( stated yet again ) Div 1 - 1 team Longos Merry Men Lattes Raiders Div 2 - 1 team -Rezeaks Racers Arbiters Mirrored Pain Div 3 - no enteries Div 4 - 2 teams Renegades Of Thrash Metal Clarinbridge Crushers and Mirrored Pain Div 5 - 2 teams MADHAT  and Weak Head Normal Forms this isnt even enough teams for one league let alone five ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:13 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:23 pm by *Grograt*

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Forcing people into the lower leagues is wrong? How so? I notice you didn't reply to the point I made about the rewards of the higher leagues being vastly out of proportion to the risks unless there is a full take up. As it stands we will be lucky to fill one division let alone two or even your proposed four. Don't like the idea of taking part in the lower leagues don't take part you are not being forced, but don't try and make an argument that the top league should be played with anything less than the full quota of teams. Regarding accessibility for vets, I notice you have at least 10 characters (I stopped counting at that point) that would be fit for Division 5, so with a team of three members being able to fill two or three cars shouldn't be overly arduous surely. Regarding next season, we will have a full 12 weeks to sort it out, not a few days as we have now. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:23 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Think for a moment, regular advancements wont WORK, if only 3 teams advance to div 3, then there still wont be enough teams there, and there will be less teams in the previous divisions, it wont work, your extreme optimism is frankly kind of disgusting. And nine, its better to make sure you have everything ready from the get-go than make it work "On the Fly", even you should know that... (I also don't see a 30 skill person as usable in the league nine) ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:27 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:29 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 your attitude is disgusting of late, try reeling that neck in Firefly and answer questions rather than skirt past them with your inherent tactic of i am right and you are all wrong. The league cannot work at present, unless the prizes are lowered drastically and cost of sign up reduced or removed entirely, then maybe enough members will join, even then as a team based event this cuts the amount of teams available, maybe joint team membership should be dropped for now, and only single gang entries be allowed, at least then a few more teams can be created. Nice of you to edit out your angst ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:29 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:32 pm by *Grograt*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I thought the team aspect was one of the major appeals of this, except for the prices, now you want to strip both away? The entry prices aren't all that harsh, if you enter as a team and split the costs, its not very expensive... Here is a simple explanation... 10 Teams in Div 5 3 Winners move to Div 4 Div 5 now only has 7 teams while 4 only has 3... Next year, The 3 people in div 4 move to div 3, and the cycle repeats, diminishing the teams in Tier 5... That's how it works right now, it wont work if we do it the way you want to... Also, that wasn't really an insult, I just don't like blind optimism. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:37 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:37 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Edit. ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:38 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:45 pm by *Grograt*

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