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Squad Combat Leagues

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 I dont think the higher leagues should be open now, keep the two lower leagues 4 and 5 wait for up take then open higher leagues, and the prizes in those are too high for a competition that is not full, a league shouldn't run if it hasn't a certain minimum amount of teams or this is open to abuse ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:34 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 3:35 pm by *Grograt*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Grograt* said: I dont think the higher leagues should be open now, keep the two lower leagues 4 and 5 wait for up take then open higher leagues, and the prizes in those are too high for a competition that is not full, a league shouldn't run if it hasn't a certain minimum amount of teams or this is open to abuse Like there will be any competition if you fight your way up, there will still only be a max of 3 people advancing, and the next "Year" one of them will get knocked down, leaving 1 or two people in the next tier, it just doesn't work... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:36 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 without take up, the leagues are not going to work anyway, but giving out major prizes to the odd two or three gangs is wrong ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 3:49 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 And forcing players to play in the lowest leagues, were the rewards are insignificant to them, is also wrong... ... I think this needs rethinking... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:08 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 no i am not trying to force anyone to play, if you dont like the prizes back out i am sure sam will reimburse your start up money, but giving you or anybody else the prizes in the top tier for no work just the ability to pay for start up is wrong. Again i consider your arguments to be self serving and to be very honest it is boring me. The leagues are a brilliant idea, but without full take up ( stated again ) there should not be the large prizes for the odd few ( stated yet again ) Div 1 - 1 team Longos Merry Men Lattes Raiders Div 2 - 1 team -Rezeaks Racers Arbiters Mirrored Pain Div 3 - no enteries Div 4 - 2 teams Renegades Of Thrash Metal Clarinbridge Crushers and Mirrored Pain Div 5 - 2 teams MADHAT  and Weak Head Normal Forms this isnt even enough teams for one league let alone five ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:13 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:23 pm by *Grograt*

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Forcing people into the lower leagues is wrong? How so? I notice you didn't reply to the point I made about the rewards of the higher leagues being vastly out of proportion to the risks unless there is a full take up. As it stands we will be lucky to fill one division let alone two or even your proposed four. Don't like the idea of taking part in the lower leagues don't take part you are not being forced, but don't try and make an argument that the top league should be played with anything less than the full quota of teams. Regarding accessibility for vets, I notice you have at least 10 characters (I stopped counting at that point) that would be fit for Division 5, so with a team of three members being able to fill two or three cars shouldn't be overly arduous surely. Regarding next season, we will have a full 12 weeks to sort it out, not a few days as we have now. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:23 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Think for a moment, regular advancements wont WORK, if only 3 teams advance to div 3, then there still wont be enough teams there, and there will be less teams in the previous divisions, it wont work, your extreme optimism is frankly kind of disgusting. And nine, its better to make sure you have everything ready from the get-go than make it work "On the Fly", even you should know that... (I also don't see a 30 skill person as usable in the league nine) ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:27 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:29 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 your attitude is disgusting of late, try reeling that neck in Firefly and answer questions rather than skirt past them with your inherent tactic of i am right and you are all wrong. The league cannot work at present, unless the prizes are lowered drastically and cost of sign up reduced or removed entirely, then maybe enough members will join, even then as a team based event this cuts the amount of teams available, maybe joint team membership should be dropped for now, and only single gang entries be allowed, at least then a few more teams can be created. Nice of you to edit out your angst ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:29 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:32 pm by *Grograt*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I thought the team aspect was one of the major appeals of this, except for the prices, now you want to strip both away? The entry prices aren't all that harsh, if you enter as a team and split the costs, its not very expensive... Here is a simple explanation... 10 Teams in Div 5 3 Winners move to Div 4 Div 5 now only has 7 teams while 4 only has 3... Next year, The 3 people in div 4 move to div 3, and the cycle repeats, diminishing the teams in Tier 5... That's how it works right now, it wont work if we do it the way you want to... Also, that wasn't really an insult, I just don't like blind optimism. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:37 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:37 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Edit. ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:38 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:45 pm by *Grograt*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Uh, not like having them thrown back... have you tried to insult me, I didn't notice it Also, you people really are jumping the gun on the team not filling out, it's only been 1 day since the announcement, maybe if you gave it a few days before decrying the PvP community? I know several people who will sign up, but haven't formed the team yet. Anyway, this is what I think should be done, not that you'll listen... Keep everything as it is, but remove division 2 and 4 completely, we should have enough people to have 3 divisions contested. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:44 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 4:46 pm by FireFly

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,658 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 FF- Theres just not enough teams. Plain and simple. And besides, if it was just my team and yours in Division I, I just dont see it possible for you to even get second or third place, much less first. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:46 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 FireFly said: Anyway, this is what I think should be done, not that you'll listen... I am listening, doesn't mean i consider your answer to be right, or that just because you state it, that is what has to be done basically what Longo stated, this all needs a re think, i don't consider it a good idea at present to hand out the prizes as stated to so few. Though this is all a mute argument as we cannot have a league of two or three teams simple !!! ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 21, 2010, 4:47 pm Last edited Feb 21, 2010, 5:07 pm by *Grograt*

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 Why don’t we wait and see if Division 4 and 5 fill up this week. If they do, then anyone in Div 4 can have the option to move up to Div 3 instead and those in 5 up to 4. Then others can have the option to join a division that still has available slots. One camp is year is 3 or 4 months real time. We can get the kinks worked out this first year and if it goes well there should be more entries next year warranting more divisions. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Feb 21, 2010, 5:55 pm

*Toecutter* Toecutters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 945 Joined: Oct 31, 2006 I would have thought it would simpler having only an unlimited # of teams lowest Div for the first season, pop the 10 best teams next season into the next highest div. Then each season pop five of the best from the lowest up, which will push the 5 best of the 2nd into the 3rd. The 3rd Div will play with only 5 teams in it's first season, then in it's 2nd will recieve 5 more from the 2nd Div to round it out to 10 teams, continue this untill you have filled all the Div's, only then start to implement moving down rules. I think the basic goal at the start of this league should be to fill the divisions, don't worry about moving teams down a division untill there are actualy limited spots to compete for... so cram everyone together at first and let the best start to float to the top. ......................... marshal vet race1 elmsautumn wv Posted Feb 22, 2010, 4:23 am Last edited Feb 22, 2010, 4:24 am by *Toecutter*

Nekojin Cats Laughing Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors Posts: 1,039 Joined: Jan 19, 2008 *Toecutter* said: so cram everyone together at first and let the best start to float to the top. Sounds like a good idea to me. That way, being in Div. I will actually mean something, more than just having a few million to throw at it. ......................... vet deathrceL1 wv cont Posted Feb 22, 2010, 6:58 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 The CR/Skill restrictions on tier 5 are ludicrously low, that is my main issue, if everyone is going to be forced in there, not the prizes. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 22, 2010, 8:45 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Toecutter* said: I would have thought it would simpler having only an unlimited # of teams lowest Div for the first season, pop the 10 best teams next season into the next highest div. Then each season pop five of the best from the lowest up, which will push the 5 best of the 2nd into the 3rd.   The 3rd Div will play with only 5 teams in it's first season, then in it's 2nd will recieve 5 more from the 2nd Div to round it out to 10 teams, continue this untill you have filled all the Div's, only then start to implement moving down rules. I think the basic goal at the start of this league should be to fill the divisions, don't worry about moving teams down a division untill there are actualy limited spots to compete for... so cram everyone together at first and let the best start to float to the top. That won't work, toe.. the combats are done in a round-robin style, so with N teams, each team does N-1 combats. There's a limited number of weeks in the game year, and unreasonable to schedule more than one combat each per week. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 22, 2010, 9:51 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I'm just going to have to wait until probably tomorrow, see how the leagues are filling up, and make an executive decision on which ones to run. Anyone being dropped below where they wanted to be will be refunded the difference, of course. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 22, 2010, 9:52 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Yeah, its up to you after all... Right now thou, there are 6 teams signed up in Div 4/5 4 teams in Div 1/2... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 22, 2010, 9:55 am

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