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ISHOULDCOCO COCO and the BURPERS Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 5, 2007 http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62807 Quote: Sid Meier found himself up against some interesting design problems. His players didn't understand math. In Civ Rev, the strength of units were displayed up front to players before battle to show the odds of victory. For example, an attacking unit might be rated at 1.5 with the defending unit at 0.5. This is a 3-to-1 situation. Unfortunately, the testers expected to win this battle every time despite there being a 25% chance of losing each time. COCO ......................... vet wv Posted Mar 16, 2010, 11:27 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I like this bit even more! (this is discussing WoW): Quote: When a player first logged in, they would earn 100% experience. After a set amount of time in-game, they would only earn 50% experience. This way, they would take a break. This felt like a punishment to players and it was universally hated among the testers. To fix this, Rob decided to do the exact same thing, but play off of player psychology. Now, when a player first logs in, they receive 200% experience. After a set amount of time they drop down to 100% experience. To complete to ruse, Rob doubled the amount of experience required to level up across the board. The math ended up being exactly the same, but players loved this new system, which would become Rest XP. It was perceived as a bonus, not a punishment. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 11:30 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Both quotes are great but sam's is hilarious! Almost every advertisement works that way. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 1:06 pm

Karz Master Alpha Junkers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers + IP Posts: 2,375 Joined: Nov 13, 2006 May I be smited by Ishtar for saying this, but emerging gamers today are getting increasingly stupid by the minute. ......................... vet wv zom Posted Mar 16, 2010, 2:21 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Welcome to mass acceptance of your minority culture. If you need a safe place to retreat to, board games are that way ---> ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Mar 16, 2010, 2:26 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 I resent that! I love boardgames! ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 3:30 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 So do I ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Mar 16, 2010, 3:31 pm

Knight Order of the Black Cat Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: Dec 21, 2009 *Groove Champion* said: I resent that! I love boardgames! I believe you misunderstood. Many board games require actual thought to understand the rules, and so , often weed out the attention lacking and dumb. ......................... vet wv Posted Mar 16, 2010, 5:55 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 So now you're calling me dumb? ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 6:03 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Knight said: *Groove Champion* said: I resent that! I love boardgames! I believe you misunderstood. Many board games require actual thought to understand the rules, and so , often weed out the attention lacking and dumb. Thank you for proving that I am not attention lacking or dumb  ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 6:10 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Snakes and Ladders doesn't count, FF ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Mar 16, 2010, 6:18 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Axis and Allies doesn't count...? ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 6:52 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Try Agricola with all the card sets in play - that can seriously cause analysis paralysis (nice simpler version on the back of the main game board for younger players). I have always believed that simpler rule sets based on clever game mechanics that prevent anyone running away with a victory are often the hardest to truly get your head around (e.g. Powergrid) ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 8:17 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Ah, my favourite board game in the world ever.  At least, until the next one comes along... Best bit about Agricola is the little wooden animals ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Mar 16, 2010, 8:39 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Nexus Ops is better than Axis and Allies: shorter, more brutal, more treacherous. Agricola's a bit heavy for my taste and I prefer a bit more player interaction. I'm a big fan of Powergrid, Container. When I want to get the same impression I get from a scout gone wrong, I play Galaxy Trucker. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 8:47 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Galaxy Trucker - my second favourite board game in the world ever! I'm starting to understand why I fit in so well here ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Mar 16, 2010, 8:49 pm Last edited Mar 16, 2010, 8:49 pm by Wolfsbane

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Bah, it's so hard to find someone who will play board games my age... Best I got my friends to play was space hulk... it's not much, but its something... Heaven forbid if I bring out risk, everyone scatters like scared little sheep! ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 9:02 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Always been a fan of Space Hulk - back when GW made games that were fun to play without requiring continued investment in the next series of rulebooks, codex and mini ranges. Have often toyed with the idea of picking up a copy of Galaxy Trucker but not sure it would sit well with the deep thinkers (well of ok those who suffer most from analysis paralysis). Would welcome some feedback on it from those who own it/play it in addition to what I can read off BGG. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 9:17 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I tried to get into WH40k... the only tabletop game I know some people that play it... but I just couldnt, I have an unpainted tau army of 1k points... but... The rules suck, I mean, really, I cant fire into a melee engagements, what? Isn't that what cheap melee units are for, to TIE up the enemy so I can gun them down, zebus... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 9:31 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 *Ninesticks* said: Always been a fan of Space Hulk - back when GW made games that were fun to play without requiring continued investment in the next series of rulebooks, codex and mini ranges. Have often toyed with the idea of picking up a copy of Galaxy Trucker but not sure it would sit well with the deep thinkers (well of ok those who suffer most from analysis paralysis). Would welcome some feedback on it from those who own it/play it in addition to what I can read off BGG. Galaxy Trucker has been a hit with everyone I've tried it with. My gaming partners range from first-timers to casual gamers to heavy gamers. Some preferred ameritrash, others preferred eurogames: all enjoyed Galaxy Trucker. The ship building is the only real interaction you have with other players (picking up the pieces you need before they can be snatched up by other players). Once the ships are built, you put them through a series of trials and disasters and see what happens. The nice thing about GT is everyone gets beat up, even the winner. I have yet to witness some of the bitter resignation that sometimes spurs from being flatly beaten at a boardgame. Even losing at Galaxy Trucker is hilarious! ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Mar 16, 2010, 9:53 pm

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