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League points, This really needs to be reevaluated

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Autodueller Group: Subscribers Posts: 406 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 League event ties and League over ties really need to be just that...ties. In other words equal prizes/points/etc. I mean seriously does anybody see anything wrong with this picture? Final Standing: 1st Gregg 'Double Kill' Glowacki (Route 666) (3937 pts) 2nd James 'Bullet Poet' Stephens (-^-HellRazors-^-) (3937 pts) Current Standing After 0 Weeks (of 5) Pos Gang Points This Wk 1st Joels Bastards 24 24 2nd -^-HellRazors-^- 23 23 3rd Renshai 23 23 4th The Vanguards 20 20 5th Route 666 18 18 So even though I'm listed as first in the event and even though we both tied dead even I gained 5 less points. So now instead of being tied for 2nd over all I'm out of the competition for 1st place over all. I really do not see how this is fair scoring for the leagues and would seriously like to see changes made. ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 21, 2010, 8:43 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Group: Subscribers Posts: 2,931 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 I have to agree here... Also when points are actually tied in the standings, someone gets the shaft and gets bumped down to a lower spot. ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 22 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 21, 2010, 2:26 pm

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Autodueller Group: Subscribers Posts: 406 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Ok now I'm a little more calm. If ties are not going to be treated as equal in points/winnings/etc it would hurt to actually see the criteria for a tie breaker. There's several things I don't like about the way the leagues work but this one irked me last night. ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 6:47 am

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Group: Marshals Posts: 884 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 As far as I know, the tiebreaker goes to the first person who entered the league. It does need a revamp as this makes no sense. ......................... Custom Lap Records: 1 .. Stock Car Lap Records: 6 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 8:08 am

*sam* Clarinbridge Crushers Darkwind Guru Group: Lead Developer Posts: 11,763 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. ......................... Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:10 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:10 am by *sam*

FireFly Highway Hellriders Darkwind Guru Group: Rules Council Posts: 2,361 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. ......................... Custom Lap Records: 5 .. Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 7 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:14 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:15 am by FireFly

*sam* Clarinbridge Crushers Darkwind Guru Group: Lead Developer Posts: 11,763 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 FireFly said: Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. I didn't mean combat-points, I meant final-standing points, i.e. what they actually received from their last event towards their league standing. If their last events are tied we can look at their 2nd-to-last, etc. This approach would be good for any type of league, hence no separate coding needed for combat/races etc. ......................... Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:16 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:17 am by *sam*

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Autodueller Group: Subscribers Posts: 406 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 *sam* said: Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. Thanks Sam. In this case it's the first week of the league. So there were no prior scores. I don't know how often ties come up but it might be something to note if you base it on the prior week's scores.  Also I apologize if my first message was a little heated. Between the heat and the OT I'm putting it I'm a little short tempered lately  ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:20 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:22 am by upgrayedd

FireFly Highway Hellriders Darkwind Guru Group: Rules Council Posts: 2,361 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *sam* said: FireFly said: Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. I didn't mean combat-points, I meant final-standing points, i.e. what they actually received from their last event towards their league standing. If their last events are tied we can look at their 2nd-to-last, etc. This approach would be good for any type of league, hence no separate coding needed for combat/races etc. DOH! Haha, well that was embarrassing, but cant 2 people just be tied for the place, I mean, both people get second place? ......................... Custom Lap Records: 5 .. Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 7 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:23 am

Lord Foul -^-HellRazors-^- Darkwind Guru Group: Rules Council Posts: 2,069 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 *sam* said: Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. Sam, In the RC I offered a solid layout of what would occur in the final league standings if a tie occurred. I can bump it forward again if you need some assistance with this. ......................... Custom Lap Records: 118 .. Stock Car Lap Records: 92 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 39 Posted Jul 25, 2010, 2:03 am Last edited Jul 25, 2010, 2:56 am by Lord Foul

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Autodueller Group: Subscribers Posts: 406 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Post removed as LF fixed his typo. ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 25, 2010, 2:41 am Last edited Jul 25, 2010, 3:02 am by upgrayedd

Bastiel Bastille the Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Group: Subscribers Posts: 807 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Quote: but cant 2 people just be tied for the place, I mean, both people get second place? Thats how most points tables work. Neither was the winner, both get the lower place. (It was a tie, 1 point instead of 2.) ......................... Custom Lap Records: 1 .. Stock Car Lap Records: 11 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 2 Posted Jul 25, 2010, 3:40 am

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Autodueller Group: Subscribers Posts: 406 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Tied again tonight for 2nd place in the PB league. This time I got the higher of the points. ......................... Stock Car Lap Records: 8 .. Pro Car Lap Records: 1 Posted Jul 28, 2010, 9:44 am

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