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Muscle Guide- Need Help!, Need chassis descriptions!

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 I'm working on a Muscle Manual for newbies, and I'm almost done with the first draft. The problem is that there's several chassis I've never used, and one section is going over each muscle chassis, explaining its strengths and weaknesses compared to other chassis, and outlining good setups, with a focus on wilderness combat, not town events. I've used: Phoenix Sunrise Vampire Bullet Buccaneer Pike (once, not very well) Flash (it's a mini-muscle!) I need descriptions for: Stormer Osprey Flail Roadrunner Pike Corghette And any other Muscles I forgot. Let's help the newbs! And the Vets, too! ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 7:51 am

johnny go rancid Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,438 Joined: Mar 24, 2010 thats ace! a guide to muscleing wuld have saved me a world of pain :-) ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 8:13 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 In my experience... Osprey: It has decent handling, not the best, but there are worse. The main issue is that if you get locked into a slide, it can take some turns to get back to moving straight. The main strenght lies in it's huge capacity, with a crew of 2 and a 3.2lv8, you still have room for 110 bulk worth of weapons, for example, a HCR/HMG combo works supringly well, but the real fun with that is that it's the most heavily armed musclecar around, and kicks the living snot out of other musclels, if you can handle the weight... Stormer: The main question here is, do you like the sunrise, or do you like the phoenix, this car is, if to simplify, a better sunrise, it's also the best ofroad musclecar in the game (imo) and works wonders on the sand maps around SS... if you can take the ugly and bugged look of it. Pike: Not a lot of people like it, I do, for the reason that it is a (for as long as you dont get shot much) stable car, not much else to say about it. Flail: Well, it's more like driving a mini SuV than a musclecar depending on how you arm it, but for a musclecar, boy does it have a lot of armor and almost as much capacity as the osprey... and thats about it. Moray: ... I just dont like it, cant explain why, but I dont like it. RR: Using it in combats, are you insane? (Unless your name is tinker) And the flash isnt a mini muscle, its a sports car ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 8:25 am Last edited Sep 9, 2010, 8:27 am by FireFly

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 What I understand about my Pike: (purely based on my experience, others may say different) If you think a Sunrise is too bouncy, walk straight past this baby. Fire 1 shot from a MMG and watch this thing bounce for 4 turns. Sitting still and getting shot will leave you bouncing wildly and struggling for traction and any ability of escape. Even under MML or MG fire you may find yourself stuck for 4-5 seconds hoping it doesn't roll. All that said, it drives over the rough stuff real well (with care) and is fast. Takes some time to get used to the handling (ghost)and tends to understeer heaps into a corner (especially if you fill its huge engine bay with motor) and oversteer like a mofo once it does start to turn. Once you do get used to this though and drive accordingly, shes a dream to drive and low speed manoeuvrability is amazing. Reasonable armour. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 8:29 am Last edited Sep 9, 2010, 8:30 am by Bastiel

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 There was a lot of discussion about the Roadrunner here.  You could probably distil something from that. edit:  did you check the comments on each chassis, too? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Sep 9, 2010, 8:32 am Last edited Sep 9, 2010, 9:20 am by *Wolfsbane*

Jet-A1 Critical Mach Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: Aug 1, 2010 Fifth said: Vampire Bullet From the Wiki these are race cars not muscle....Not sure who did the chassis section of the wiki though. The wiki listed the muscles as; 57, Sunrise, Phoenix, Buccaneer, Stormer, Moray, McFly, Roadrunner, Flash, Flail, Pike, Osprey, Corgette. Not sure I'd say the McFly or Flash are muscles, although I would agree the Vampire should be in the muscle list. Is there any differentiation in game for the different chassis types eg do all muscle cars have something similar in their make up compared to say sedans? ......................... wv vet Posted Sep 9, 2010, 9:09 am

*Urban Decay* Old School Perverts Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,023 Joined: Nov 8, 2007 Osprey and Roadrunner are only cars in that list I havn't/Don't own. Need to add a new bullet if that really is muscle and not racer as I thought. Also how is McFLy a muscle? ......................... vet wv marshal raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 10:01 am Last edited Sep 9, 2010, 10:03 am by *Urban Decay*

johnny go rancid Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,438 Joined: Mar 24, 2010 i think we can play a bit fast a loss definig what a muskel car is. in DW i wuld say a muskel is any thing that reliys on spead and manuverabilaty in combat rather than armor or big guns. its just a wikki , not the word of god :-) ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 10:40 am

*Urban Decay* Old School Perverts Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,023 Joined: Nov 8, 2007 Well muscle cars are large hulks of steel, with engines powerful enough to lift a front wheel off the ground if you rev it hard enough while stopped. They go fast, will turn "eventually", and can be heard before seen. ......................... vet wv marshal raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 11:11 am

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Jet-A1 said: Fifth said: Vampire Bullet From the Wiki these are race cars not muscle....Not sure who did the chassis section of the wiki though. The wiki listed the muscles as; 57, Sunrise, Phoenix, Buccaneer, Stormer, Moray, McFly, Roadrunner, Flash, Flail, Pike, Osprey, Corgette. Not sure I'd say the McFly or Flash are muscles, although I would agree the Vampire should be in the muscle list. Is there any differentiation in game for the different chassis types eg do all muscle cars have something similar in their make up compared to say sedans? Wiki has some inaccuracies. 57 is actually a Sedan in game, not sure about the Vampire. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 1:31 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 A flash is kinda like a toe or ear muscle, small and insignificant, tend to get shot off and is rarely missed ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 1:32 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Actually from the venues and records: Muscle Cars 1: Vampire Sunrise Moray Buccaneer Roadrunner Squadcar Corghette Muscle Cars 2: Stormer Phoenix McFly Pike Flail Osprey Racers 1: Hotrod McKenzie Bullet Flash Racers 2: Royal Eaton DeVille Cougar Turin Sedans: Symphony Fiftyseven Mercenary Moose Chevalier Spirit Voyager Windsor Windsor II Someone fix the wiki, I'm late leaving for work. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 1:33 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 I'll fix muscle, race and sedan. Not sure about the other categories though. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Sep 9, 2010, 3:01 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 In my experience, a vampire is a muscle. This is focusing mostly on wilderness combats, and there, a muscle is any car that has muscle speed without an exposed engine. By that token, a Flash is most definitely a muscle. So's a Bullet, which is one of my favorite combat cars. ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 3:55 pm

theHumungous Worldeaters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 686 Joined: Jan 12, 2010 I've tried using the bullet in combat, but the poor offroad ability was always an issue. Which maps are you using the bullet on that works well? ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 4:14 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 theHumungous said: I've tried using the bullet in combat, but the poor offroad ability was always an issue. Which maps are you using the bullet on that works well? I've found it worked very well in the offroad sections of Once Upon A Town, and on Road To Somerset it did well. On the other hand, I've ALWAYS used a 50+driver with it. ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 4:20 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Wait what, why in the world is the phoenix in muscle 2, and the sunrise in muscle 1? While the phoenix is more stable, the sunrise is certainly faster, and neither of them should compete in muscle 2 to begin with. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 4:47 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 The Muscle Manual's first draft is up. Enjoy! http://www.darkwindwiki.com/index.php?title=Fifth's_Muscle_Manual ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 9, 2010, 5:04 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Very nice. You might get me back into muscle scouting at this rate... ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Sep 9, 2010, 5:23 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Hey now fifth, while that is nicely written, I did not call the flail "Undisputed king", it's more like the queen at the side of the osprey ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Sep 9, 2010, 5:39 pm

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