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Heavy Machine Gun vs Gatling Guns for Phoenix

GrayRoad Hellz Accountantz Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: Jan 5, 2011 Howdy all. Went on my first group scout last night (thanks again Checkers) and I can see that this will now be part of my evening routine (every time I can weasel my way into a scout that is). Scraped together enough money for a Phoenix with a front mounted HMG. Looks like my role will be a mobile flanker in this car and I was only able to get a couple of shots off with the HMG. Would I be better off with two gatling guns in the front for this role? ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 1:02 pm

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 Personally I like a Windsor 2 with 2 x MMG for that kind of thing, but I know many use pho with 2 x GG for training gunners. They say that as you get twice as many shots with the GG there is more chance to get training points. ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 1:29 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 I wouldn't recommend a high-recoil weapon on a muscle car until you're sure you know what you're doing. It can lift the front off the ground, meaning you get no steering at the worst possible moment, among other problems. Not saying they're not good sometimes (I love my ATG buccy), but twin GGs or MMLs are a safer way to get the hang of driving a muscle car in combat. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Jan 14, 2011, 1:56 pm

Dreamthief Fast and Deadly Autodueller Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 274 Joined: Dec 18, 2009 Twin gats and both driver and gunner are getting trained...and twice as fast. Character development is much more important than equipment. You'll be dragging a looted car back from the majority of your SS scouts anyway, so will soon have a number of options to play with. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 2:44 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 I actually like to pair a GG with a RL on my cars. Being able to melt armor with the GG and knock the cars around with the RL (Pickups seem to be particularly susceptible to flipping when hit by a RL) is a pretty awesome combo. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 2:52 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 GGx2...MMG/MG...anything BUT a HMG on a muscle til you get the hang of things. And even once you DO, you probably won't go back to a HMG. They really do throw your front end all around and make life "interesting".... And if you can't stay on target, the weapon isn't doing you (or anyone on your team) any good. ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:04 pm

Dreamthief Fast and Deadly Autodueller Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 274 Joined: Dec 18, 2009 The ability to throw the enemy off target can be invaluable..however there won't be much room for a decent engine in a Pho with a RL and a GG. If you want to stay fast (always good unless you are a big fat SUV sat in a firing line) then go with a 4L engine, 2 GGs and a reload each should leave room for the driver and gunner. Just be aware that the Pho isn't the most manoeuverable car in the world and has an OK turning circle at best......in other words, be careful what you get into a close range knife fight with. You may find that Pickups and Windsor IIs can turn you inside out and end up being difficult to get off your tail. If this happens then you can hit the handbrake (safe on flat ground under 50mph in a Pho) and hard turn on the wheel to get you back facing the opponent. Be warned...you will now be moving slowly (remember to take the brake off..or you won't move much at all ) and slow is not good for muscle cars most days ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:11 pm

iceman Sock Monkey Killaz Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: May 13, 2009 HMG on a muscle car is good when you have a 100 LG with sniper 2 But otherwise I would stick with a mg/gg muscle or a twin HMG apache PS use the mg for your best gunner cause it has more range and give the worst gunner (usually the driver) the gg Open up at 75-60m until you start getting specs and start with the sniper spec which adds maybe 20m to your effective range ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:30 pm Last edited Jan 14, 2011, 3:31 pm by johnnynever

GrayRoad Hellz Accountantz Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: Jan 5, 2011 Thanks for all the comments folks. GG's purchased and installed and ready for tonite. I like the MG/GG idea, may try that when I have more cash. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:48 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Dreamthief said: The ability to throw the enemy off target can be  invaluable..however there won't be much room for a decent engine in a Pho with a RL and a GG. Valid point--- probably why I generally run Windy2 with v8s in them.  I do have one Pho with a GG and a CR.  'The Jesus" Vehicle ID: 360035 ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:06 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 I prefer the MMG as a compromise. One problem with the Double-GG is short range and one of your guns doesn't work properly because your driver is firing it. The MMG has less recoil than either option and better accuracy. It also allows a light or medium rocket to be put on the front as a secondary one-shot weapon, for use on nearly-breached cars. Welcome to the lovely world of muscle cars. Here's a useful thing I wrote: http://www.darkwindwiki.com/index.php?title=Fifth's_Muscle_Manual ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:07 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Had a spare MG rusting in lock up, needs a clean PM you the PW ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:07 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Fifth said: I prefer the MMG as a compromise. One problem with the Double-GG is short range and one of your guns doesn't work properly because your driver is firing it. The MMG has less recoil than either option and better accuracy. It also allows a light or medium rocket to be put on the front as a secondary one-shot weapon, for use on nearly-breached cars. Welcome to the lovely world of muscle cars. Here's a useful thing I wrote: http://www.darkwindwiki.com/index.php?title=Fifth's_Muscle_Manual I never saw that guide before, good job Fifth! (I probably even learned something, but I'd never admit it). ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 5:03 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 *sam* said: Fifth said: I prefer the MMG as a compromise. One problem with the Double-GG is short range and one of your guns doesn't work properly because your driver is firing it. The MMG has less recoil than either option and better accuracy. It also allows a light or medium rocket to be put on the front as a secondary one-shot weapon, for use on nearly-breached cars. Welcome to the lovely world of muscle cars. Here's a useful thing I wrote: http://www.darkwindwiki.com/index.php?title=Fifth's_Muscle_Manual I never saw that guide before, good job Fifth! (I probably even learned something, but I'd never admit it). I'm still working on it, need to add a section to the Tactics on tactical kiting (using your buddies as bait!) also need sections on the Stormer and Corghette. But thanks! ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 5:24 pm

GrayRoad Hellz Accountantz Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: Jan 5, 2011 That is a great article, Fifth. Thanks Grograt! ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 6:37 pm

The Underking Project Cerberus Sunday Driver Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: Dec 19, 2008 I stumbled over Fifth's article a while ago and found it incredibly helpful On a personal note, I hate the twin GG loadout on most cars, I don't feel like they do a lot of good compared twin MG's, might just be me, but I feel like armor peels off faster with MG's, and you usually need a breech to demo a car anyway. I also think that GG's with their numerous shots are more prone to damage components, not to mention that the GG range is an issue for me too, even with sustained firering the MG seems to hit more often when not at point blank range. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 7:49 pm

Speed_Melon Produce_Vendors Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 558 Joined: Dec 18, 2007 I like twin gg's on phoenixes for gunner training. Pair it with a Dual MG phoenix and pretty soon you got some highly skilled gunner and a couple of DR specced drivers. ......................... vet wv0,3,0 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 8:22 pm

iceman Sock Monkey Killaz Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: May 13, 2009 The Underking said: I stumbled over Fifth's article a while ago and found it incredibly helpful On a personal note, I hate the twin GG loadout on most cars, I don't feel like they do a lot of good compared twin MG's, might just be me, but I feel like armor peels off faster with MG's, and you usually need a breech to demo a car anyway. I also think that GG's with their numerous shots are more prone to damage components, not to mention that the GG range is an issue for me too, even with sustained firering the MG seems to hit more often when not at point blank range. ggs are good fun for the blue when you do breach tho... ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 8:52 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Why chose between a 4L Pho with 2 GG or a HMG (each with one reload per weapon) - run a pair of both in formation for added flexibility and try to concentrate on a single target. This also lets you train the Large gun skill and practice running multiple vehicles. Never be without a wingman - don't count on other players to save you, especially in a muscle scout. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 10:41 pm Last edited Jan 14, 2011, 11:15 pm by Juris

Checkers Axis of Weevils Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: Jul 17, 2010 HMG's are generally a bad idea on muscle cars, especially light ones. If you need the damage, a MMG or a CR would do you much, much better. I suggest a MMG and a one-shot, if you're planning on flanking. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 16, 2011, 10:06 pm

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