POLL - PvP Regional in DW? (56 Votes)
Yes	44.64% - 25 votes
No	42.86% - 24 votes
Other(Please explain)	12.5% - 7 votes

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POLL - PvP Regional in DW?

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 Agincourt - 267 miles from FL ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 8:49 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I see...well make me a member and I will help guard your convoys. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 8:49 pm

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 GrowlingBadger said: I am concerned about the possibility of being intercepted by players. I am a relatively new player (less than a year) and have done quite well through trading in Elms and Tex which has given me enough resources to buy a camp and start developing it. I am gradually getting to grips with the game through PVE and there is still a lot for me to learn in terms of ganger skills, different builds, some of the maps and camp development and production. I want to learn how the game works in PVE, once I feel that I have explored that I may then move on to PVP, but now, unless I have misunderstood the coming changes, that choice has been removed from me. I feel challenged enough with the NPCs, If PVP happens alot I think those encounters, with players (and gangers) better skilled than me (and my gangers) will hinder, if not eliminate my ability to develop my camp. I have put a lot of time into the game and carefully made decisions about what to try to do where (and made several mistakes along the way) but this appears beyond my control. If I wanted to PVP I would have put my flag on. I also chose not to get the benefit of boosted training by leaving the flag off. If PVP was automatically open in BL and FL I would not spend much (if any) time there. But now my stuff is there I have no choice. Are my concerns an over reaction? Have I misunderstood? The message is quite clear.  If you're not willing to PVP, you don't deserve to be in Badlands.  Just read Goat's post. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Apr 4, 2011, 8:57 pm

Thin Izzy Izzys Irregulars Racer Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: Sep 22, 2009 goat starer said: Cadimus said: I'm for leaving it as it is.  We have one open PVP town and the pvp flag option for everywhere else. No one should be forced to pvp if they don't want to. you should not be able to pick and choose bits of the game when  it is essentially competitive. To you.  ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 4, 2011, 9:25 pm

*Rezeak* The Dark Knights Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,377 Joined: Aug 8, 2009 GrowlingBadger said: I am concerned about the possibility of being intercepted by players. I am a relatively new player (less than a year) and have done quite well through trading in Elms and Tex which has given me enough resources to buy a camp and start developing it. I am gradually getting to grips with the game through PVE and there is still a lot for me to learn in terms of ganger skills, different builds, some of the maps and camp development and production. I want to learn how the game works in PVE, once I feel that I have explored that I may then move on to PVP, but now, unless I have misunderstood the coming changes, that choice has been removed from me. I feel challenged enough with the NPCs, If PVP happens alot I think those encounters, with players (and gangers) better skilled than me (and my gangers) will hinder, if not eliminate my ability to develop my camp. I have put a lot of time into the game and carefully made decisions about what to try to do where (and made several mistakes along the way) but this appears beyond my control. If I wanted to PVP I would have put my flag on. I also chose not to get the benefit of boosted training by leaving the flag off. If PVP was automatically open in BL and FL I would not spend much (if any) time there. But now my stuff is there I have no choice. Are my concerns an over reaction? Have I misunderstood? PvP has been mandatory everywhere except SS in the past, even then there were very few incidences of PvP. People tend to only PvP if they have a reason to, be that if they have a vendetta against you (In which case you should be watching your back anyway) or if they want some extra challenge. Attacking a lorry with a couple of escorts does not tend to be 'fun' for anyone and so you should be relatively safe from most of the people who actively PvP anyway. It is nigh on impossible to get a PvP attempt to hit anyway, even more so if you have a half decent scout. What I'm trying to say is, people seem to think that there will be 24/7 and blood spilt everywhere in cold blood. Well, if that ends up being the case the I'll gladly eat my words, hat and any other word that links with the expression of being humiliated. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom pvp3 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 9:27 pm

Thin Izzy Izzys Irregulars Racer Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: Sep 22, 2009 At the very least, add an 'alternate' town to Firelight so that PvE people don't have to pass through PvP territory to retrieve gangers captured by Slavers. Captured in GW (or further north): captured gangers end up in the glad arena in the 'new' slaver town. Captured south of GW: captured gangers go to Firelight's arena. Of course this won't address folks who want to run trade and/or courier packages between the PvE and PvP regions without having to worry about PC interceptions. ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 4, 2011, 9:31 pm Last edited Apr 4, 2011, 9:34 pm by Thin Izzy

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Disagree. I don't PvP generally but any ganger that ends up in firelight is lucky to be alive at all and if they have to risk a player encounter to escape I'm okay with that--- especially since there is a player run free shuttle you can use to skip the worst of it. ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 4, 2011, 9:35 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Thin Izzy said: At the very least, add an 'alternate' town to Firelight so that PvE people don't have to pass through PvP territory to retrieve gangers captured by Slavers. Captured in GW (or further north): captured gangers end up in the glad arena in the 'new' slaver town.  Captured south of GW: captured gangers go to Firelight's arena. Of course this won't address folks who want to run trade and/or courier packages between the PvE and PvP regions without having to worry about PC interceptions. You know what? Last time I heard PvP was not even possible on travels, as this changed? Don't know why it didn't work, but remember Shanty being a lot safer then people thought, which is a shame RP wise. ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Apr 4, 2011, 9:48 pm Last edited Apr 4, 2011, 9:52 pm by *Tinker*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Tinker* said: Thin Izzy said: At the very least, add an 'alternate' town to Firelight so that PvE people don't have to pass through PvP territory to retrieve gangers captured by Slavers. Captured in GW (or further north): captured gangers end up in the glad arena in the 'new' slaver town.  Captured south of GW: captured gangers go to Firelight's arena. Of course this won't address folks who want to run trade and/or courier packages between the PvE and PvP regions without having to worry about PC interceptions. You know what? Last time I heard PvP was not even possible on travels, as this changed? Don't know why it didn't work, but remember Shanty being a lot safer then people thought, which is a shame RP wise. Outgoing travels are interceptable, incoming ones are not... Frigging hell, should we just do a whole PvP Q&A thread or something, actually, I'll do that. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 10:01 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 It might help those who bleat on about bad PVP that do not even know how it works FF ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Apr 4, 2011, 10:10 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *Grograt* said: It might help those who bleat on about bad PVP that do not even know how it works FF I've told them to read the wiki, but hey it's better to make up stuff right? ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 10:12 pm

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 Interesting comments. Wiki doesnt say much about PVP, unless I missed it? A thorough Q and A or wiki would be good, seems I misunderstood some issues. As for what has been said about not deserving to be beyond BL thats fair enough if thats how the game is but it wasnt like that when I started and is quite a sudden change. I bought a camp and started developing it knowing I wouldn't have to contend with PVP. Now the rules have changed it's a little frustrating is all, guess I'd better learn some PVP builds. ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Apr 4, 2011, 10:55 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 PVP will not be that wide spread, just consider how many pro pvp players have spoken on thje forum ? No more than maybe ten in total. honestly many people are worrying about nothing. these playeers still have camps to run, PVE to make money, races to win etc. their lives are not devoted to sitting waiting to attempt to catch somebody. we are not a 1000+ community of gamers. More like a 40+ at the best of times, then yake different world times into consideration and, well i am sure you can work out the risks of PVP happening eh ? ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Apr 4, 2011, 11:06 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 everyone in the Grograt hunting posse.... SADDLE UP!!!! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 12:29 am

Hogfather Hogs of Destiny Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: Mar 8, 2011 I think if people are gonna be forced into PvP regardless of their PvP tag, then we should change the coding so that players can not fire on a surrendered car. I think players who didn't want to PvP will be upset enough about losing their stuff, let alone their gangers. This could lead to some people leaving and we don't have enough players to afford that! ......................... vet wv paintball Posted Apr 5, 2011, 3:13 am

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 If you surrender all the cars on your side the event ends and no one can shoot you. If you pay the bounty in the first turn or two you cna buy your way out of the fight. Most players will agree to some other form of payment/barter to let you run away if you just negotiate with them as well. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 4:24 am

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Hogfather said: I think if people are gonna be forced into PvP regardless of their PvP tag, then we should change the coding so that players can not fire on a surrendered car.  I think players who didn't want to PvP will be upset enough about losing their stuff, let alone their gangers. This could lead to some people leaving and we don't have enough players to afford that! If you refuse to resign your non-surrendered car(s), it's completely within the rights of the other person to use your gangers in the surrendered one(s) as hostages. You get to decide when you've had enough, and you can always ask for leniency in one form or another. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 4:36 am

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Badger, I watched your convoy going via Shantyville for weeks. You have been open for attack far more already than you think - didn't happen though did it? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 4:50 am Last edited Apr 5, 2011, 4:50 am by *Ninesticks*

*Rezeak* The Dark Knights Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,377 Joined: Aug 8, 2009 Having read iceman's post in another thread, I've got to say that I have a feeling this trial will be useless. The majority of people within the mandatory PvP zones will leave, and so have no experience of the new system. This will lead to the same fears and misconceptions about PvP from the majority of the community so that when the poll comes around again in two weeks time everyone who wants to move back to BL will say that it was a terrible change and that it has ruined their game. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom pvp3 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 7:34 am

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 Wow, thats good to know Nine. Why did it not happen - did you chose not to attack or what? ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 7:52 am

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