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Does driving skill affect driving?

AnalogKid New Wolrd Men Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: Nov 23, 2011 Hi all, simple noob question I haven't seen answered in the FAQs or elsewhere yet. I get that driving skill improves the accuracy of the ghost, but I've taken to mostly ignoring the ghost in simple races and I've started to place relatively well just by keeping track of my car in my own head. My question is: if one ignores ghost accuracy, does driving skill actually help characters drive? Less bumpity bumpity jumping? More traction through turns? Better accel/decel? Anything? All my "good" drivers died in early bumbling, and I've been winning with 0 skill drivers, so I don't know if it's worth paying to recruit another driver now that I've killed off too many this week. ......................... vet Posted Nov 23, 2011, 9:59 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 It doesn't seem to do much, but it's so hard to tell in a turned based game. I too would like to know But with terrible cars to control, like the big pickup, i swear it makes a difference, or maybe it's my imagination.... ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Nov 23, 2011, 10:05 pm

betterlucky Freewheel Burning Autodueller Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18, 2009 I find that when running cross country with pickup or van couriers then a good driver is less likely to roll or flip over, what would essentially be a critical skill check fail if we were using dice. Of course, it could just be wishful thinking ......................... vet wv zom Posted Nov 23, 2011, 11:24 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 It affects the accuracy of the ghost and has a small affect on acceleration, I know both of those for sure. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 12:51 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Yeah agreed there. Seem to get away with a lot more speed in the turns when you get it wrong too. Quote: ...what would essentially be a critical skill check fail if we were using dice.... thats how I've imagined it to be. Seems when racing a failed roll will result in bad ghosts for a bit and some awkward behavior from the car. I see it kinda like HC. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:14 am

AnalogKid New Wolrd Men Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: Nov 23, 2011 OK, thanks guys. Seems like it might be worth looking for an actual driver, instead of just a big guy with lots of courage who can take shrapnel and won't quit! ......................... vet Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:46 am

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 AnalogKid said: OK, thanks guys.  Seems like it might be worth looking for an actual driver, instead of just a big guy with lots of courage who can take shrapnel and won't quit! No, take the big guy with lots of courage.  Driving can be trained, but only if they stay conscious and in the event. ......................... vet wv community Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:52 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 12:32 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Driving skill should be more important, imo -- even allowing highly skilled drivers to be competetive in lower classes of vehicles against the higher end stuff. Or just make the faster vehicles a lot easier to lose control of for low skill drivers. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:13 pm

Jeelz The Dionysian Dozen -CHQ- Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,054 Joined: Apr 30, 2009 I think the effects of driving are well balanced, if somewhat subtle. 0 skill gunnery compared to 100 skill gunnery is quite stark, where the differences between 0 and 100 skill in driving is a lot less decisive. Once you get the hang of driving, NPC's don't present too much of a challenge in races regardless of your ganger's skill. When it comes to racing other players though, a single spec can make a massive difference. ......................... vet wv combatL1 raceL1 deathrceL1 paintladder Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:31 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. Knew it.  Ya I let a couple gunners drive a travel once this week...very embarrassing.  Flipped the bullet they were in and /turtled on one of the small bumps near gateway TS. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 1:54 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Serephe said: Driving skill should be more important, imo -- even allowing highly skilled drivers to be competetive in lower classes of vehicles against the higher end stuff. Or just make the faster vehicles a lot easier to lose control of for low skill drivers.  +1 Yeah it doesn't feel like there is much difference, maybe because we don't play in an FPS. Would be cool to make it more noticeable. *Sam* said: Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. You said in another post recently that the ghost doesn't reflect friction, so i'm confused with better driving skill you get a better ghost accuracy still? Asking because it's hard to see the difference driving a roadrunner with a 0 driver or a 150 ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Nov 24, 2011, 5:32 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 *sam* said: Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. Noticed this on high-speed unarmed mission runner travels - under 50 drivers tend to spin out much more.  It doesn't seem to effect tyre damage though, maybe it should if we're thinking about making driver skill better But first make first aid better ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 5:51 pm

betterlucky Freewheel Burning Autodueller Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18, 2009 First aid seems fine once you have that first spec, getting there seems the hard part... esp. as training it seems to paint a big target on the guy, I swear 75% of my casualties are first aiders. ......................... vet wv zom Posted Nov 24, 2011, 6:12 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Tinker* said: *Sam* said: Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. You said in another post recently that the ghost doesn't reflect friction, so i'm confused with better driving skill you get a better ghost accuracy still? Asking because it's hard to see the difference driving a roadrunner with a 0 driver or a 150 Friction? The ghost inaccuracy is actually done by making a random roll every turn, and using it to modify the physics variables for the ghost for that turn, by a little bit. So if you push close to the limit, a weaker driver is more likely to screw up. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 8:57 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 and spin his flash into a concrete pillar, or building, or off a cliff or over a ..... Uhg, flashes, don't know why I bother steering them at all... besides that they are cheap and damn fast. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Nov 24, 2011, 11:32 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *sam* said: *Tinker* said: *Sam* said: Driving skill slightly improves several of the physics calculations, not just acceleration.. less roll/bump, slightly more grip, etc. You said in another post recently that the ghost doesn't reflect friction, so i'm confused with better driving skill you get a better ghost accuracy still? Asking because it's hard to see the difference driving a roadrunner with a 0 driver or a 150 Friction? The ghost inaccuracy is actually done by making a random roll every turn, and using it to modify the physics variables for the ghost for that turn, by a little bit. So if you push close to the limit, a weaker driver is more likely to screw up. I wonder if he is referring to the fact that the ghost for the roadrunner is never right in tighter turns, and can never accuratly predict how much it will acually turn at speed... Driver skill be damned. Actaully, the only way to learn to drive one of those proper is to compensate for how much the ghost is off, as it is off by the same ammount all the time, it either shows to little or to much and is never were it should  Personally I wish that cars spun out more often... or rather... Raise the center of gravity on a bunch of the bigger vehicles, specifically SUV's and maybe pickups... They stick to the ground to much... I mean, racers I can buy but a landy doing a hairpin at 100mph? Fat chance  I swear I'm not just saying this cause I love watching vehicles roll... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Nov 25, 2011, 12:08 am Last edited Nov 25, 2011, 12:09 am by FireFly

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 That seems to be easily fixed in the suspension setups of cars, too. With minor tweaking, I had the SUV's turtling at sharp sudden turns above certain speeds, and even some sedans and muscle doing the same. Work out good setups, and get them made into the main setup for the car. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Nov 25, 2011, 1:07 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Yeah, I'd happily modify the centres of gravity etc. to make big vehicles roll more easily.. however, I think it would cause a lot of complaints from some of the players. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 25, 2011, 9:58 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Oh heavens forbid players actually having to break before taking a tight corner... ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Nov 25, 2011, 11:22 am

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