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Specialism strategy

Flopman Fist of the Wasteland Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: Nov 20, 2011 Alright, so now my first guys have started to gain specialisms. The first ones were easy, since they were leadership specs, but now one of my heavy gunners have reached 50. I was originally planning to take machine guns, since that's what my heavy gunners are using at the moment. I was also considering heavy guns, since I have a buzzer i BL with twin mounted CC's. However, I've been advised to take rapid reloader, and now I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions on which specialisms are better would be welcome. Or maybe someone has some tips on the considerations that go into choosing specs? Thanks ......................... vet wv Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:09 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 The best, and clearly overpowered trio of specs to go for is "Sniper, Rapid Reloading and Rapidshot"... Think of it it like the triforce of brokenly overpowered. Boringly so even as nothing else compares. But yeah, rapid reloading is the way to go, later heavy weapons maybe. (Spec balance is pretty bad) ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:14 pm

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Rapid Reload then Heavy Weapons. I haven't noticed any measureable difference on characters I've given machine gun to. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:16 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Tango* said: Rapid Reload then Heavy Weapons.  I haven't noticed any measureable difference on characters I've given machine gun to. Well, I do know they do better with damaged weapons than normal shooters... but who the eff rolls with damaged weapons in normal?  ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:23 pm

Flopman Fist of the Wasteland Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: Nov 20, 2011 Alright, thanks guys. I guess I'll go with rapid reloading, then. Is one level fine, or should I aim to take that again, when she reaches 100? Or go straight for heavy weapons at that point? ......................... vet wv Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:28 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 You want at least RR2 for cannons, this gives you an average reload time of 3 turns... any more is overkill ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 12:30 pm

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 FireFly said: *Tango* said: Rapid Reload then Heavy Weapons.  I haven't noticed any measureable difference on characters I've given machine gun to. Well, I do know they do better with damaged weapons than normal shooters... but who the eff rolls with damaged weapons in normal?  True. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Dec 9, 2011, 1:16 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 FireFly said: The best, and clearly overpowered trio of specs to go for is "Sniper, Rapid Reloading and Rapidshot"... Think of it it like the triforce of brokenly overpowered. Boringly so even as nothing else compares. But yeah, rapid reloading is the way to go, later heavy weapons maybe. (Spec balance is pretty bad) Do this is you don't want to do it right. Here's how to do it right. Take Heavy weapons.  Why?  Because you want to get to the CC (and later TG) and be good with it.  And while a 100 LG skill guy is good, a 100 LG skill guy with Hvy Weapons 2 is even better.  If you think short term, you will regret it later in the game.  This is one of the things few have really learned. Find a CGL or a PG, and train that guy to 50 in Ballistics next, THEN take Rapid Reload.  It won't take too long.  Better yet, find 2 and put two guys in that car.  Rapid reload is very important, but it should not be wasted on either Gunnery or LG. You only need RR 1 if he is 50 speed or higher.  Once he reaches 100 skill the bonus to reloading will make RR 2 a waste. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 2:04 pm Last edited Dec 9, 2011, 2:04 pm by JS

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 agree, RR trained as ballistics works out well. same with rapid shot. Got a few of those characters trained early I can no longer get heavy weapons for. The Moving targets specs I chose instead sure are handy though. Two similar gunners, similar stats - about 80 dex, and similar specs; one has Heavy weapons and MT 1 , the other MT 2, both sniper 2. one gets slightly better range, the other can hit stuff under that range with greater accuracy. I like MT... at least for tail gunners that shoot on the run. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 3:08 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 *Bastille* said: agree, RR trained as ballistics works out well. same with rapid shot. Got a few of those characters trained early I can no longer get heavy weapons for. The Moving targets specs I chose instead sure are handy though. Two similar gunners, similar stats - about 80 dex, and similar specs; one has Heavy weapons and MT 1 , the other MT 2, both sniper 2. one gets slightly better range, the other can hit stuff under that range with greater accuracy. I like MT... at least for tail gunners that shoot on the run. MT is a very underated spec.  In addiiton it is a great PvP spec to negate Def driver and high speeds. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 5:07 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 JS said: FireFly said: The best, and clearly overpowered trio of specs to go for is "Sniper, Rapid Reloading and Rapidshot"... Think of it it like the triforce of brokenly overpowered. Boringly so even as nothing else compares. But yeah, rapid reloading is the way to go, later heavy weapons maybe. (Spec balance is pretty bad) Do this is you don't want to do it right. Here's how to do it right. Take Heavy weapons.  Why?  Because you want to get to the CC (and later TG) and be good with it.  And while a 100 LG skill guy is good, a 100 LG skill guy with Hvy Weapons 2 is even better.  If you think short term, you will regret it later in the game.  This is one of the things few have really learned. Find a CGL or a PG, and train that guy to 50 in Ballistics next, THEN take Rapid Reload.  It won't take too long.  Better yet, find 2 and put two guys in that car.  Rapid reload is very important, but it should not be wasted on either Gunnery or LG. You only need RR 1 if he is 50 speed or higher.  Once he reaches 100 skill the bonus to reloading will make RR 2 a waste. I don't agree at all, and have to agree more with what Tango and Firefly said, and what you said about Moving Targets. I have a guy with sniper 3 and heavy weapons 4 and guys with sniper 4 and no heavy weapons still outshoot them on car cannons and tank guns. Taking rapid reload from large guns lets you take rapidshot from ballistics, and focus entireyl on sniper from gunnery and handguns. This lets you move into Moving Targets that much sooner if your guy caps at 150 or above. Getting that rapidshot in there is going to do more then your heavy weapons spec, and so would moving targets. The only weapon specific specs worth making any priority on are laserfire and flamethrowers, if you're going to dedicate the ganger in question to using those weapons exclusively. As Tango said, adding heavy weapons spec at 150+ large guns after you've taken rapid reload 2 can be useful, but even then you're deciding against Moving Targets or shifting it into other specs in place of more rapidshot. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 5:22 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Here's a great General Strategy, for the most effective gunners, which as FireFly noted can be so effective as to be boring. Be forewarned. This assumes specs from 100 skill as many gangers cap over 100 but under 150 skill, limiting them to 8 total weapons specs. gunnery: take sniper twice handguns: take sniper twice large guns: take rapid reload twice ballistics: take rapidfire twice, or rapidfire and moving targets once each. Results: Kick ass gunner that can shoot anything and have good accuracy at 100+ meters the turn after targetting. Sniper 4 Rapid Reload 2 Rapidfire 2 OR Rapidfire 1 and Moving Targets 1 If your guy makes 150 it's easy to take level 2 in both rapidfire and Moving Targets and leaves you two other specs to experiment with. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 5:31 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Here's my recipe from ground up on starting gangers. A- Never accept anybody less than 50 Dex or Spd B- For gunner types - Go with Handguns to start - Never accept less than 22 skill starting (cap reasons) C- Leave training on Handguns, work on Hvy (Hgg's/HMGS) or Guns (GG'MMG) D- Once you hit 50 on either spec Guns.. SNP / HVY .. RR E- Cross train now in either Ballastics for Rapidshot or opposing gun type to get RR or SNP By time you are done with the first 3 "50's" Handguns is now 50 and you will have your SNP2 Wicked nasty and a low level gunner who can hit anything that SS, ELMs, or GW has to offer ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 5:58 pm Last edited Dec 9, 2011, 6:00 pm by Necrotech

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 d0dger said: Here's a great General Strategy, for the most effective gunners, which as FireFly noted can be so effective as to be boring. Be forewarned. This assumes specs from 100 skill as many gangers cap over 100 but under 150 skill, limiting them to 8 total weapons specs. gunnery: take sniper twice handguns: take sniper twice large guns: take rapid reload twice ballistics: take rapidfire twice, or rapidfire and moving targets once each. Results: Kick ass gunner that can shoot anything and have good accuracy at 100+ meters the turn after targetting. Sniper 4 Rapid Reload 2 Rapidfire 2 OR Rapidfire 1 and Moving Targets 1 If your guy makes 150 it's easy to take level 2 in both rapidfire and Moving Targets and leaves you two other specs to experiment with. Words of wisdom Also agree with both FF and Dodger that this is why the Sniper spec is badly broken - it is way too overpowered.  I really resent having to follow this path just to compete. As for Flops original question - first Large gun spec should be RR1 - using CCs without at least RR1 is crazy. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 6:08 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 d0dger said: JS said: FireFly said: The best, and clearly overpowered trio of specs to go for is "Sniper, Rapid Reloading and Rapidshot"... Think of it it like the triforce of brokenly overpowered. Boringly so even as nothing else compares. But yeah, rapid reloading is the way to go, later heavy weapons maybe. (Spec balance is pretty bad) Do this is you don't want to do it right. Here's how to do it right. Take Heavy weapons.  Why?  Because you want to get to the CC (and later TG) and be good with it.  And while a 100 LG skill guy is good, a 100 LG skill guy with Hvy Weapons 2 is even better.  If you think short term, you will regret it later in the game.  This is one of the things few have really learned. Find a CGL or a PG, and train that guy to 50 in Ballistics next, THEN take Rapid Reload.  It won't take too long.  Better yet, find 2 and put two guys in that car.  Rapid reload is very important, but it should not be wasted on either Gunnery or LG. You only need RR 1 if he is 50 speed or higher.  Once he reaches 100 skill the bonus to reloading will make RR 2 a waste. I don't agree at all, and have to agree more with what Tango and Firefly said, and what you said about Moving Targets. I have a guy with sniper 3 and heavy weapons 4 and guys with sniper 4 and no heavy weapons still outshoot them on car cannons and tank guns. Taking rapid reload from large guns lets you take rapidshot from ballistics, and focus entireyl on sniper from gunnery and handguns. This lets you move into Moving Targets that much sooner if your guy caps at 150 or above. Getting that rapidshot in there is going to do more then your heavy weapons spec, and so would moving targets. The only weapon specific specs worth making any priority on are laserfire and flamethrowers, if you're going to dedicate the ganger in question to using those weapons exclusively. As Tango said, adding heavy weapons spec at 150+ large guns after you've taken rapid reload 2 can be useful, but even then you're deciding against Moving Targets or shifting it into other specs in place of more rapidshot. Yes, a sniper 4 will certainly out range/shoot a sniper 3 regardless of other specs.  I never said that and it's not implied in my planning/system.  But given the same sniper level, the guy with Hvy Wpns is better. Concur on the two specialized guys. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 6:50 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 d0dger said: Here's a great General Strategy, for the most effective gunners, which as FireFly noted can be so effective as to be boring. Be forewarned. This assumes specs from 100 skill as many gangers cap over 100 but under 150 skill, limiting them to 8 total weapons specs. gunnery: take sniper twice handguns: take sniper twice large guns: take rapid reload twice ballistics: take rapidfire twice, or rapidfire and moving targets once each. Results: Kick ass gunner that can shoot anything and have good accuracy at 100+ meters the turn after targetting. Sniper 4 Rapid Reload 2 Rapidfire 2 OR Rapidfire 1 and Moving Targets 1 If your guy makes 150 it's easy to take level 2 in both rapidfire and Moving Targets and leaves you two other specs to experiment with. My training assumptions are planned for a 150+ gunner, I fire most anything lower.  That being said, with my system you get the following at 100. Sniper 4 Hvy Wpns 2 RR 1 RS 1 This is a devastating Large Gunner.  There is an argument that Dodgers is a better small gunner.  I sacrifice some efficiency at the smaller guns for maximization of the big guns. The other advantage is that Dodgers is a slightly better PvP build at 100. At 150 you get this. Sniper 4 Hvy Wpns 3 RR 1 RS 2 MT 2 At 150, RR 1 is enough to have 2 tunr reload time if you have any speed at all.  But scrimping a bit earlier, you are not hurt later.  You can go to Sniper 5 or 6, I have done so on some characters, it's really to taste at this point.  If you dispense with the MT, you can add the sniper specs. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 7:00 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 Juris said: d0dger said: Here's a great General Strategy, for the most effective gunners, which as FireFly noted can be so effective as to be boring. Be forewarned. This assumes specs from 100 skill as many gangers cap over 100 but under 150 skill, limiting them to 8 total weapons specs. gunnery: take sniper twice handguns: take sniper twice large guns: take rapid reload twice ballistics: take rapidfire twice, or rapidfire and moving targets once each. Results: Kick ass gunner that can shoot anything and have good accuracy at 100+ meters the turn after targetting. Sniper 4 Rapid Reload 2 Rapidfire 2 OR Rapidfire 1 and Moving Targets 1 If your guy makes 150 it's easy to take level 2 in both rapidfire and Moving Targets and leaves you two other specs to experiment with. Words of wisdom Also agree with both FF and Dodger that this is why the Sniper spec is badly broken - it is way too overpowered.  I really resent having to follow this path just to compete. As for Flops original question - first Large gun spec should be RR1 - using CCs without at least RR1 is crazy. Yes, you need RR, but you should get it from Ballistics, and not waste a Hvy Wpns spec on RR. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 7:01 pm

Flopman Fist of the Wasteland Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: Nov 20, 2011 Thanks for all the advise, everybody. Plenty of great tips so far, and I'm finding it very helpful. I ended up going with RR, in case anybody's interested. I've now switched one of HMG's on the vehicle my specced heavy gunner is assigned to, with an MMG, in order to train gunnery. I have a driver who will hit 50 in not so long. Does anyone care to suggest a good spec for that guy? ......................... vet wv Posted Dec 9, 2011, 8:30 pm

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 If he's shooting too then Death Racer - reducing penalty to hit for driving, other wise Defensive driver to avoid getting hit as much, unless you are using mines or a dedicated ram car. GB ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 9:17 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 Flopman said: Thanks for all the advise, everybody. Plenty of great tips so far, and I'm finding it very helpful. I ended up going with RR, in case anybody's interested. I've now switched one of HMG's on the vehicle my specced heavy gunner is assigned to, with an MMG, in order to train gunnery. I have a driver who will hit 50 in not so long. Does anyone care to suggest a good spec for that guy? I'd say it's pretty universally Defensive Driver. Death Racer is nice if he's shooting as noted above.  My laser dudes take this at least once. Offensive driver is fun if you want to use Ram cars.  Those can be dangerous (to everyone, not just the enemy) but very deadly. The racing specific specs are also useful, for racing. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Dec 9, 2011, 9:43 pm

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