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d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 technically it doesn't increase range or improve accuracy... It reduces the accuracy penalties applied for range. So, yeah. Effectively, it increases the range you can accurately shoot. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 1:57 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 d0dger said: technically it doesn't increase range or improve accuracy... It reduces the accuracy penalties applied for range. So, yeah. Effectively, it increases the range you can accurately shoot. Errr, and by it's very nature it increases the accuarcy at all ranges... Becuase 25% less penalty = boost in accuarcy, regardless of range it gives a boost. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 2:27 am

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 *JeeTeeOh* said: Wow. And all this time I've been selecting skills specific to my preferred weapon rather than the obvious "give me super powers" choice, which is Sniper. It's the water I've swam in since the day I started 21 months ago.  I talked to a lot of people who I saw making long shots in somerset scouts, they told me how it's done. I hate that you struggled doing things the hard way, but it wasn't necessary. This issue was exhaustively debated in the public and RC forums less than 7 months ago, changed were made, they were reverted due to public outcry. It got very ugly.  Lots of personal attacks.  I'd rather not have the community go through another repeat of that so soon. More Range/Less Penalty=semantics. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Dec 16, 2011, 2:37 am Last edited Dec 16, 2011, 2:42 am by *Tango*

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 *Tango* said: *JeeTeeOh* said: Wow. And all this time I've been selecting skills specific to my preferred weapon rather than the obvious "give me super powers" choice, which is Sniper. It's the water I've swam in since the day I started 21 months ago.  I talked to a lot of people who I saw making long shots in somerset scouts, they told me how it's done. I hate that you struggled doing things the hard way, but it wasn't necessary. This issue was exhaustively debated in the public and RC forums less than 7 months ago, changed were made, they were reverted due to public outcry. It got very ugly.  Lots of personal attacks.  I'd rather not have the community go through another repeat of that so soon. More Range/Less Penalty=semantics. I agree that revisiting "much ugliness, lots of personal attacks" would be a bad thing. Guess I missed it the first time around... was pretty new and not so forum-aware. As for me I think I'll continue with "the hard way." I'm not much for line-fighting and blowing baddies up at range anyway. I find a good dogfight -- win or lose -- to be far more entertaining and in the end I'm here for fun, not to try and rule the wastes. That said, I'll bow out of the sniper discussion. With my play style I've already accepted the fact that my gangers will never survive long enough to be competitive (with or without the sniper skill) with the real pros around here, so I really don't have much at stake. Should the issue ever really be revisited though, I'll stand firmly in the "it really needs a fix" camp. I'll just make sure to hide behind something till the other guys get close.  [[EDIT]] And why are all my posts showing up under my scavenger gangname? I'm pretty sure all my scavs have died from neglect by now.... ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:16 am Last edited Dec 16, 2011, 3:19 am by *JeeTeeOh*

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 I don't disagree the system is very slanted. It could have been done differently when it was made. Changing it will doubtless be popular with some and unpopular with others. The community isn't close to any consensus of how to change it. Discussions last time broke down to people making personal attacks because they disagreed. Everyone who has been playing a while has a lot vested in the time they put in making their characters do what they can do, it's a bit of a sacred cow. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:40 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *Tango* said: I don't disagree the system is very slanted.  It could have been done differently when it was made.  Changing it will doubtless be popular with some and unpopular with others.  The community isn't close to any consensus of how to change it.  Discussions last time broke down to people making personal attacks because they disagreed.  Everyone who has been playing a while has a lot vested in the time they put in making their characters do what they can do, it's a bit of a sacred cow. It doesn't have to be if there is a respec. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:43 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 I did a thunk-kabout specs over the time since the sniper nerf and decided I like how it is. .... .... a very wise person said: In a word, RIDICULOUS. Sniper should be limited to increasing the effective range of rifles. A fully automatic machinegun is NOT a sniper weapon. Neither is a flamethrower or bazooka or mortar or anything else. My vote, as the poor sucker who's just now learning about this amazing skill, is apply it to rifles only or eliminate it entirely and create a "rifles" skill that works in the same manner as every other weapon specialization in the game. yeah, definitely. Random ganger spec cap ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 5:08 am Last edited Dec 16, 2011, 5:18 am by *Bastille*

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 OR... To bring this more in line with reality (and a level playing field) why not keep the spec modifiers as they are, but only when the weapon is fired from a stationary vehicle? (For our purposes "stationary" could be defined as anything under 10mph so you're not ruined by recoil.) This limitation would reflect the fact that a sniper must do many things -- precise aiming, adjusting for increased distance and "bullet drop," etc -- that cannot be done well in a car bouncing over a charred landscape at 70mph. It will also allow the line fighters -- probably the guys most interested in this spec -- to continue more or less as they are. ...So much for leaving it alone! Sorry. haha ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:02 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *JeeTeeOh* said: It will also allow the line fighters -- probably the guys most interested in this spec -- to continue more or less as they are. ...So much for leaving it alone! Sorry. haha Lets further encourage the art of napoleonic warfare! Men, Stand in line with bullseyes pained on your shirt, dont worry, for we are more curagous than the enemy! ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:05 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 The problem with sniper discussion is the Good Idea Fairy always makes a fkin appearance. KISS Keep it simple stupid. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:07 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 FireFly said: Lets further encourage the art of napoleonic warfare! Doesn't really encourage it. Just doesn't actively DIScourage it. People are gonna fight the way they're gonna fight. I'm a dogfighter, others prefer a tank column; it is what it is. But if an effective limitation can be found that somehow manages to avoid running a steamroller over half the community's toes, well, mebbe a fix could be agreed upon. This ain't the U.S. Congress, after all. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:15 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *JeeTeeOh* said: FireFly said: Lets further encourage the art of napoleonic warfare! Doesn't really encourage it. Just doesn't actively DIScourage it. People are gonna fight the way they're gonna fight. I'm a dogfighter, others prefer a tank column; it is what it is. But if an effective limitation can be found that somehow manages to avoid running a steamroller over half the community's toes, well, mebbe a fix could be agreed upon. This ain't the U.S. Congress, after all. But you're missing the thing here, people will want to keep using sniper even thou they may prefeer a faster style of play... Meaning it's more likely people will build gunlines rather than dropping sniper, because people weigh sniper higher than moving in combat already anyway. People who were already trying moving combat might stop doing so, because sniper is more effective. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Dec 16, 2011, 3:28 pm Last edited Dec 16, 2011, 3:29 pm by FireFly

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 FireFly said: *JeeTeeOh* said: FireFly said: Lets further encourage the art of napoleonic warfare! Doesn't really encourage it. Just doesn't actively DIScourage it. People are gonna fight the way they're gonna fight. I'm a dogfighter, others prefer a tank column; it is what it is. But if an effective limitation can be found that somehow manages to avoid running a steamroller over half the community's toes, well, mebbe a fix could be agreed upon. This ain't the U.S. Congress, after all. But you're missing the thing here, people will want to keep using sniper even thou they may prefeer a faster style of play... Meaning it's more likely people will build gunlines rather than dropping sniper, because people weigh sniper higher than moving in combat already anyway. People who were already trying moving combat might stop doing so, because sniper is more effective. Good point. In that case I'll recast my vote as "sniper is for rifles, allow a re-spec for those who built their lives around this skill." Not that there's any actual discussion and/or votes being cast here.  ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Dec 16, 2011, 4:02 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 stick both those points together, only works on Rifles and when stationary. I don't know so much it would encourage more and bigger gun lines. It will make for dedicated snipers, and dedicated sniper positions. Definitely the best two ideas I've heard so far to combat the issue. Sniper can only fire every second turn was another that was floating about for a bit. Something to make sniper.... sniper, and not just 1000 x dex bonus. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 17, 2011, 8:55 am

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 *Bastille* said: stick both those points together, only works on Rifles and when stationary. This would be my ideal... but I'm trying to avoid the pitchforks and torches so I shied away from it.  ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Dec 17, 2011, 3:01 pm

Utredd Vikingr-CTS- Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: Jun 29, 2010 Leave my gangers and specs alone pls Now where the hell did i leave my pitch fork?? ......................... vet wv ww Posted Dec 17, 2011, 3:57 pm Last edited Dec 17, 2011, 3:59 pm by Utredd

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *Bastille* said: stick both those points together, only works on Rifles and when stationary. I don't know so much it would encourage more and bigger gun lines. It will make for dedicated snipers, and dedicated sniper positions. Definitely the best two ideas I've heard so far to combat the issue. Sniper can only fire every second turn was another that was floating about for a bit. Something to make sniper.... sniper, and not just 1000 x dex bonus. Would certainly bring the Heavy Car Rifle into a lot more use. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Dec 17, 2011, 4:45 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 IMO we should not encourage line fighting unless we invent a new weapon - the car musket ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Dec 17, 2011, 7:31 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 sand worms As the Bastardly one has pointed out on many occasions, if snp was to be nerfed other specs like rapid shot would need to be too. I stick to my original position, things work and I like hitting stuff at 150m with tank guns.... and I'm not wearing my pitchfork proof pants. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 18, 2011, 11:41 am

Silvra Infinite Justice Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: Jan 11, 2012 I realize I'm a few months late to the party--but everyone saying sniper is "too powerful" in relation to other specs, but that nerfing it would enrage those who've already taken it... What about just buffing the other skills? Things like MG and Rocketeer increase accuracy more than they do now, and also increase damage done by weapon types. In the end, snipers will be better jack of all trades, but a cross-trained MGer would be more accurate and do more damage on MGs? I've always found it ridiculous that sniper makes you more accurate with MGs than MG spec does. ......................... wv vet Posted Feb 23, 2012, 12:01 am Last edited Feb 23, 2012, 12:02 am by Silvra

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