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Inappropriate Banter, GamePlay and Exploits, Interesting Method

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 I raise bunnys by the way. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 12:11 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 StCrispin said: I raise bunnys by the way. as your children? like my little dippi? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 12:23 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 *Bastille* said: Ive confronted you more times than I care count. I believe last I really spoke to you, I said something along the lines of, 'I used to think you were cool, but I was wrong.' I have since ignored you as you openly admit to trying to break the game. But then you keep playing the idiot card, "what are you talking about? how can I change it when I don't know what Im doing wrong?" as you sent me in PM, and then you go back about doing the same thing again and bragging in the lobby or openly discussing the bugs YOU BELIEVE are in the game (some of these bugs are there, make a bug report, send sam a constructive PM if you think its warranted, don't go about teaching everyone else how to abuse them and wonder why we don't like you). I have seen you attempt to bring these up in the forums, and why I thought you may not be all that bad, but then you go and moan and complain, abuse other players in scouts that they are against you, you leave players in the lurch often, and when I have tried to help you in the past, you rub my face in it. I made skins for you, and all you could say in reply is how you could make them better and demand I make you more. You chucked a hissy fit when players didn't take you up on your offer to use some pictures you found to make skins, that you then take credit for (when they do all the work). I've talked to you directly in private about all these things. The lobby is not the place for it. But when needed, I've told you there too. This is what really gets me. You've openly threatened to get hackers to stuff the game, you claimed you hacked the web page for your benefit, you have abused sam to me in IMs (as well as other players. And that for me is the last straw), you incessantly try any exploit possible. When I approach you about any of these things, you claim ignorance. I've tried good and hard with you Juan, LoanSloneDelerious. Play a character in the game, sure, but don't go about threatening to break stuff, ruin stuff for everyone, cheat and steal (outside of an RP element and any respect for other players the game, and most importantly, its developer) and then pull this bull#### that its all not true. It is true Juan. Be a ####### man. Everything your talking about is ancient history. Try to stay in the present why don't you. As for the claims of hackers and such... Saying you can do something is not the same as saying you did. If you would actually read what I said to you way back when instead of skimming through it, you would know this as well. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 1:13 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 you know all to well what you said jaun, take it back and or deny it now if you want to. But I know all to well. If you change.. I'll be willing to over look it. Untill then, just... bah.. not worth it. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 1:20 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 i remember a guy called glow plug... he used to be a weird stalker unpleasant bugger in the lobby and on PM... do weird destructive stuff,,, and in the forum be all reasonable. he got banned in the end. just saying ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 1:27 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 It defies logic bast... If i was hacking the webpage I could recruit gangers with whatever stats and skills I wanted. I could give myself unlimited money and set the reps how i wanted. If I was doing all that why would I be running bpus of corier missions and goods for money rep and skills? I told you this because You CLAIMED that you would be helping me to get exploits closed because you saying it to sam would circumvent me having to prove the exploits exist. Also strange that you wait exactly 1 year before bringing this up. And yes I do ask you what your talking about cause like now your never specific. Why don't we talk about the effect of you putting contract hits on new players who play with me to "teach them a lesson" ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 1:48 am Last edited Jun 9, 2012, 1:52 am by JuaN VaLDeZ

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 Veteran Players were encouraged to help new players learn the ropes. But when a new player asks questions and i exaplin why something should or shouldnt be done i'm accused of telling them how to exploit. I'm telling them what I learned. Last night in the lobby JD Basher said that "we dont try to tell people how to play, we let them explore the game and play and believe what they want". Nothing can be further from the truth. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 1:56 am Last edited Jun 9, 2012, 1:57 am by JuaN VaLDeZ

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 For the record: im neither defending nor bashing Juan, Bast, or anyone else. Just calling foul (not you, lord) where I see it. You all know im vocal. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 2:32 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 rubbish, you said you were doing this because you were burned once and you are a survivor and that you will eventually take out the game. You bragged about this and how nasty and evil you could possibly be to us all here. You made direct threats about the game and community. It does not defy logic, you know very well that if you boost you own gang you will be caught and banned, like you have been in the past, LSD. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 2:35 am

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 JuaN VaLDeZ said: Veteran Players were encouraged to help new players learn the ropes. But when a new player asks questions and i exaplin why something should or shouldnt be done i'm accused of telling them how to exploit. I'm telling them what I learned. Last night in the lobby JD Basher said that "we dont try to tell people how to play, we let them explore the game and play and believe what they want". Nothing can be further from the truth. I take exception to that statement JV.... My statement was EXACTLY the truth! We veterans DO NOT try to tell people how to play! We try to give suggestions to how the game could be played without incurring ganger losses or too much damage to vehicles. ANYTHING they do after that is part of the learning curve! Nothing I tell new players leads them to believe that they can "win" this game, and any contrary remarks made by other individuals saying I meant otherwise is a bald-faced lie! When I take new players on a scout, I NEVER tell them where to place their vehicles.. I explain my strategy to them and let them deploy as they see fit. I only ask for help from wingmen when needed and will do my best to support others when they are being shot up. (Something I have personally seen you NOT doing intentionally JV) My problem with you JV is when you actively seek out and use certain exploits to your advantage and then proceed to brag in the lobby to others telling them how to do what you just did. ALSO!.... Pm'ing Sam and telling him I booted/muted you from the lobby last night is also a LIE!...... I did nothing of the sort! I was in a constant im conversation with Augustus and Bastille until I left. I have seen texts from you stating that you could 'bring this game down' with the numerous hackers at your command... THAT is a personal attack on Sam, his game and all the other players who pay for this game. In my opinion, you should have been banned as soon as you sent that text! My money would be on Sam and his decades of schooling in computer coding and implementation than your hackers ANYDAY! Juan, as a Marshal, I will respect your right to play as you see fit. But know this... If I see you advising others in the lobby how to 'cheat' the game I WILL sanction you... I will consult at least 3 other Marshals (and Sam) to make sure they agree that the infraction committed is sanctionable on you and I won't be the one to Mute/Boot you. I will otherwise be civil to you in the lobby and the forums. Now you know how I feel... Carry on! JD ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Jun 9, 2012, 2:57 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 good response JD, and a fair solution. I shall do the same. And if other players are doing as Juan, assisting in illegal methods.. be warned. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:15 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 I told sam that you threatened to ban me from the lobby and the forums, in a IM that he could verify in the logs. If you wish I can even cut and paste the message that I send him. I never sai that you muted me or did anything to me. this is evidence that your trying to goad me into a arguement. Yes iIn the past I had said threatening things and had said expoloitable things in the lobby. Sam messaged me about this and I stoped. If you and bast think I am still doing this I will need proof so I know exactly what it is you think I have RECENTLY done that I need to stop. In short I would like to know what exploits you think I told people how to do. If this was going on, with all this activity about it on the forums, don't you think sam would have looked at the logs, found it, and told me to stop? I'm not going to point the finger at who said it but about 3 nights ago someone said in the lobby that sam needs a swift kick in the a** because of all the existing content he doesnt fix. That person was not me. When taking new guys on a scout I explain how to make best use of the interface, how the mechanics of the game function, and suggest a spot to keep them safe. They can drive in circles and get used to doing it in sand for all I care. I'll take out the bad guys, let them grab as many loot cars as they can, and explain what happened in summary. Then I proceed to offer "suggestions and recommendations" and I state that they are suggestions with the goal of getting them to where they can solo on their own and develope their own strategy, if they would like to learn how. I also tell them that If they want, I can teach them how to train guys fairly quick, make 2 million a week, and have the money and skills to branch out, without exploiting any code. Some people say they want to learn on their own, some say they want to stick to arena events, some say they want to just group scout, and others ask me to teach them. I don't pressure anyone to play in a specific manner, with the exception of being in a event with someone who keeps shooting me or ramming me. For the last week I've done nothing exploitable in tis game. I'm only talking about the last week because within this last week people have been bad mouthing me and accusing me of things without any basis. when asked for evidence or proof none exists. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:15 am Last edited Jun 9, 2012, 3:16 am by JuaN VaLDeZ

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 do you wonder perhaps, why we are giving you fair warning? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:18 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 As far as assisting goes... here's a scenario, you explain how this is a exploit to assist. New player wants some apaches. I tell him I'll make you a deal. Hire 8 guys in badlands and make up 4 squads. I will put an Apache in each squad. You put 2 LG gunner in each apache, set the truce flags and head to GW, You can process the encounters and I will go in and play them out or i can take control of the squads and play them out all on my own, but you should come and watch so you can see how easy it can be done with unskilled crews. We will repeat the process from GW to SS and when we arrive one of the apaches, armed and ready to scout with will be yours for free. After 2 or 3 times max, the player see's how it works, and tries it on their own. Somehow the marshals have turned this around to mean that the new player is me running a second account to gain extra squads and exploit squad limits plus exploit markets and attempt to throw the whole economy out of balance. I knwo this in part because of things that are said to me by marshals and from the players saying, so and so was saying something to me about being a multi-account of you, why do these guys pick on you, what did you do. To which I answer entirely. I'm not pretending to be innocently playing this game. I actually am ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:24 am Last edited Jun 9, 2012, 3:25 am by JuaN VaLDeZ

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 I'd like to know how to make 2 mil a week! Within game guidelines!... If you can't prove this, you have used an exploit... STOP DOING THIS and tell sam about it! ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:25 am

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 JuaN VaLDeZ said: As far as assisting goes... here's a scenario, you explain how this is a exploit to assist. New player wants some apaches. I tell him I'll make you a deal. Hire 8 guys in badlands and make up 4 squads. I will put an Apache in each squad. You put 2 LG gunner in each apache, set the truce flags and head to GW, You can process the encounters and I will go in and play them out or i can take control of the squads and play them out all on my own, but you should come and watch so you can see how easy it can be done with unskilled crews. We will repeat the process from GW to SS and when we arrive one of the apaches, armed and ready to scout with will be yours for free. After 2 or 3 times max, the player see's how it works, and tries it on their own. Somehow the marshals have turned this around to mean that the new player is me running a second account to gain extra squads and exploit squad limits plus exploit markets and attempt to throw the whole economy out of balance. I knwo this in part because of things that are said to me by marshals and from the players saying, so and so was saying something to me about being a multi-account of you, why do these guys pick on you, what did you do. To which I answer entirely.  I'm not pretending to be innocently playing this game. I actually am WHY are you putting cars in another persons squad just to skill up THEIR gangers AND playing the events for them?.... EXPLOIT! ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:29 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 Ok here is how it's done. you will need to hire 18 gangers and have 3 squads of 3 cars each. 6 drivers, 8 gunners, 4 LG gunners, and any of the following combinations of vehicles per squad 1 windsor II and 2 phoenix 1 apache and 2 windsor II 3 Apaches 1 Buzzer and 2 Apaches Set up the windys with 2 gats, the phoenix's with 1 gg and 1 mml or 2 mg, 2 GG is unstable, use a 4L in the phos and a 3.2L in the windys Apaches are set up with a 4L and 2 HMG, but upgrading to HGG's and a 3.2V8 is recommended when you can afford it. Buzzers can house 2 cc or HGG, if using the CC setup I recommend getting 50 in LG and 50 in gunnery so you can get sniper1 and either moving targets for a low dex ganger or rapidreloading for a high dex ganger, i prefer a LG of 100 before I use CC's Set these Vehicles to Auto Fix when they reach town, do not check auto repair or refuel, get fuel from loot screen. Having set up the squads your ready to scout nonstop without pausing longer then to get JD's mug to pop up. For ease of explaining, We will call the squads A through C and the crews group 1 and group 2 Squad A rolls out with crew 1 for a combat, when it ends, Squad B rolls out with crew 2. when it ends Squad A is in the shop and Squad C rolls out with crew 1, then squad A with crew 2, etc. This keeps the ball rolling Next I state that I can recommend preference settings and examples of play to show them how to play with turns only 2 secodns long without getting confused. Repeat this process for 3 to 5 hours a day for a week, Once your at the level of 3 apaches per squad You will make profits of about 2 million a week. With a buzzer and 2 apaches and lots of caffeine , running out of somerset, you can make 10 million in 2 days. I also have courses on ganger selection and speccing for specific weapons, Courier runs to train scouts based on their skill for best gains per hour. Vehicle layout and armor ratings. Win arena events with each by getting bonus points for the checkpoints in combat events. How to run multiple vehicles without getting confused. Etc... ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:43 am

Sarge K R U Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 6, 2011 *JD_Basher* said: WHY are you putting cars in another persons squad just to skill up THEIR gangers AND playing the events for them?.... EXPLOIT! You seriously think this is an exploit for which JV should be sanctioned? Also giving advice to new players is essential for this game because the UI and many other things about it are fairly unique to DW and even hardcore gamers can find the game confusing. If there is a serious move to stop people advising new players then I think it is a shame, and also something I would fight against.  ......................... vet wv0,3,0 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:43 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 Sarge said: *JD_Basher* said: WHY are you putting cars in another persons squad just to skill up THEIR gangers AND playing the events for them?.... EXPLOIT! You seriously think this is an exploit for which JV should be sanctioned? Also giving advice to new players is essential for this game because the UI and many other things about it are fairly unique to DW and even hardcore gamers can find the game confusing. If there is a serious move to stop people advising new players then I think it is a shame, and also something I would fight against.  Actually when passengar retention began I suggested to sam that someone could make money training gangers for other players and sam said he liked the idea, It is most certainly not a exploit, It is enterprising! And why would people want to pay me to do this? Well Airwhale for example was going to be away for a while and wanted me to train some scouts since the oens he had died of age and starvation or ran off. I had to quit cause the squad limits made it too difficult when he wasnt available to reload the crews. at least 5 players I have done this for have ended up with 1 to 4 gangers are addicted to 46Ys and at least one has started gaining the first point of PSI after only 3 months of riding in one of my bpus. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 3:45 am Last edited Jun 9, 2012, 3:47 am by JuaN VaLDeZ

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *JD_Basher* said: JuaN VaLDeZ said: As far as assisting goes... here's a scenario, you explain how this is a exploit to assist. New player wants some apaches. I tell him I'll make you a deal. Hire 8 guys in badlands and make up 4 squads. I will put an Apache in each squad. You put 2 LG gunner in each apache, set the truce flags and head to GW, You can process the encounters and I will go in and play them out or i can take control of the squads and play them out all on my own, but you should come and watch so you can see how easy it can be done with unskilled crews. We will repeat the process from GW to SS and when we arrive one of the apaches, armed and ready to scout with will be yours for free. After 2 or 3 times max, the player see's how it works, and tries it on their own. Somehow the marshals have turned this around to mean that the new player is me running a second account to gain extra squads and exploit squad limits plus exploit markets and attempt to throw the whole economy out of balance. I knwo this in part because of things that are said to me by marshals and from the players saying, so and so was saying something to me about being a multi-account of you, why do these guys pick on you, what did you do. To which I answer entirely.  I'm not pretending to be innocently playing this game. I actually am WHY are you putting cars in another persons squad just to skill up THEIR gangers AND playing the events for them?.... EXPLOIT! Actually, Juan offered to do this for me when I first started and it seemed wrong to me.  So I asked Bastille about it.  If my memory serves me correctly I was told it was NOT against the rules but it sounded "questionable" at the very least.  If it is an exploit, then it would be the new player exploiting just as much aince they gain a valuabke asset for nothing.  Yes Juan gains 3 apes to sell, but those dont sell too well or for very little.  It seems a paltry reward for the time spent. Although, to me it doesnt sound like a fair way to play if you are the new guy. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jun 9, 2012, 4:17 am

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