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The best way to hunt a player

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Iron Wraith said: Joel: I was already on your #### list remember.  You decided it wasn't relevant as it wasn't profitable.  I'll happily play you in town events and kill or be killed.  I suspect you stand to loose more than I do, but take your best shot. I remember now and when I when you check your gang I see you already there.  Yes we are grudged - quite heavily now. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 2:34 am

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 dang - I've had my PvP flag on for MONTHS and I still don't have any grudges... I feel left out... ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 4:09 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 jimmy, even if I tried to justify it through RP I still couldn't find the heart to attack you. If I ever intercept you I suspect I will give you money EDIT: Iron Wraith: Time-griefing is the worst offense in my book. Not only is it forbidden in explicit terms in the game rules, it is also the worst possible attack on the PvP system because it justifies further hindrance of that style of play. As Sere mentioned: it sohuld have been dealt with by a marshal or Sam in a most severe fashion. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 4:24 am Last edited Aug 9, 2012, 4:26 am by Groove Champion

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Groove. Him and I think it was Something else and I forget the 3rd guy TIME GRIEFED,Darth and his PvP pal when they got attacked by darth. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 5:14 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 I once time grieffed Glow Plug just a bit... like 5 turns to get him talking. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 6:38 am

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Unfortunately, once you have a bad experience caused through a specific mechanism you tend to loose interest in that mechanism. Everything you say about Griefers applies to Exploiters. Consensual only intercepts are a PvP expoliters paradise, non-consensual PvP is a griefers paradise. Sadly griefing isn't isolated to a single instance. It would have been difficult for me to prove that someone taking a minute per turn was intentionally time-griefing. It was irrelevant anyway as the damage was done. Experienced players may know that you can appeal to Sam to get some bad experience overturned. Inexperienced players may simply not bother to play anymore. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 7:09 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 What I want to know is what is the difference between somebody timegriefing you in a PvP intercept and somebody doing it in a town event or on your side in a group scout to you? Your way of thinking is flawed. Griefers/exploiters should be punished, not the rest of one specific part of the game community (those who enjoy global pvp). ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 7:14 am

Sarge K R U Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 6, 2011 Groove Champion said: Sarge said: Groove Champion said: *Grograt* said: I cannot believe this is stil an open topic after all these years, Anybody seen the film ' catch 22 ' It's alive because we have a legion of vocal cowards flaming the forums Really? A legion?  No. Not a 'legion'. That was quite an overstatement on my part. Care to read the rest of my comment now? Yes I did, I quoted the part that was funny and ignored the rest of the overstatement. As you admitted you were angry; I've posted whilst angry so I know it's mainly grief-filled fluff. We have the solution to this PVP problem with the flags and the no trucing and a gang hit option and so forth. Easily cobble it out of a few of the comments on here. But getting it implemented when we can't even vote in a rules council? Good luck.  EDIT: I see Sere has tried to sum it all up in a Suggestions post. Nice. ......................... vet wv0,3,0 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 9:10 am Last edited Aug 9, 2012, 9:14 am by Sarge

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Rules council wasn't really a good idea to begin with imo. Made even worse when some people were able to stay on RC beyond their term. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 9:15 am

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Now the sensible part of the thread has been moved elsewhere (thanks Serephe). I can continue my interrogation of Joel. Ok Joel. What exactly does Grudging entail. I am not sure how long I have been Grudged but thus far I have seen no impact. I am quite happy for you to double that level of activity. Oh what the hell, knock yourself out, treble it. What I find a little sad is that you actually bother to keep a list. I do hope you are as dilligent in real-life to things that actually matter. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 6:52 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Ok... get this thread off the tangent.. and back on track.. getting out of hand...yikes. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 7:39 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Ok back to the OP. The best way to hunt a player is to go to their home town and watch their movements. When you identify a time they are routinely alone, go whale on them with some percussive sports equipment. the best way to deal with a troublesome GANG is to point out their vileness to the community and wait for it to rise up in indignation. When that doesn't happen because everyone is self-obsessed, put up a public bounty. Say $250,000 per confirmed kill of a "name" level ganger. You don't even have to pay up until it happens. Quarter of a million buys a lot of throw away gangers even at $1000 per pop. Some of them will get through. Then at every deathrace and combat event they participate, some newb who wants to make a name will be gunning for them. God help them if they enter ped combats. Even in races or events where they are notionally on the same side they can be rammed. In the wilderness thye will find their allies deserting them to be wiped out by the bandit targets. If they simply run rather than surrender, they can actually ensure that the enemy kills the gangers as they can't even surrender as long as one other person on their team is still confident. You can't target you own team mates, but you can target terrain near them and rockets are notoriously splashy. Better yet naplm guns apparently. Take all his tires and leave him to the vultures. Even handgrenades and napalm. Leagues will become very difficult as their opponents won't be chasing the prize or each other, just going for the kill. They will be forced to only do solo events and have no interaction with another player. You can't stop them playing PvE, but you also can't complain they are messing up your game really in that case. I am not sure it could be classed as griefing if you manage to convince 50 new players to try to wipe out another gang. They even have counter measures as they can up the bounty and turn it around. They can start a new gang though intergang transfers would need the cooperation of another player. Since the plan is to eliminate their top gangers, it needn't matter. They could even carry on with discardable ganger while their top people hide and wait for it to blow over. Regardless you have made them think about consequences, and with consequences comes reflection. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 9, 2012, 8:25 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Why was the other thread locked? It seemed to me that there was a sensible discussion going on and then Joel started barking at the moon again. Next thing it's locked. The shame of it was that for a 95% positive dicsussion, the final comment is the idiot rantings of a self confessed griefer. Was it in response to Joel (in which case why not just remove his posts and let it continue). Otherwise I can't see what the point was. Joel: I normally refrain from personal comments as they don't really help. But in response to your comments on this and the other thread. Your parting gift to me will be your parting. No other gift would be as welcome. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 7:36 am Last edited Aug 10, 2012, 7:44 am by Iron Wraith

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Other thread unlocked by me and my foolish optimism, hoping the flames and threats will cease. But Wraith is right, the rants of a single contributor are no reason to shut down the entire thread. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Aug 10, 2012, 7:46 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Just a note, I don't recall any event where Joel ACTUALLY griefed anyone. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 8:50 am

Sarge K R U Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 6, 2011 Serephe said: Just a note, I don't recall any event where Joel ACTUALLY griefed anyone. Maybe he is one of those legion of vocal cowards that are apparently ruining the forums?  ......................... vet wv0,3,0 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 9:38 am

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 He maintains a grudge list. He implies that he wil target players in events if they upset him. He has threatened his end game will be the way of Shark and Darth. I judge him by his words. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 10:00 am

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Geez.... if that is the case.... Joel has mentally griefed you already. I'm mentally griefing people right now. Jeet has mentally griefed people already. Snipe will grief people in the future... so on.... so forth. Iron Wraith said: He maintains a grudge list.  He implies that he wil target players in events if they upset him.  He has threatened his end game will be the way of Shark and Darth. I judge him by his words.  ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 3:47 pm Last edited Aug 10, 2012, 3:48 pm by Necrotech

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 I am going to grief the lot of you in a minute if this doesn't stop! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Aug 10, 2012, 3:58 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 goat starer said: I am going to grief the lot of you in a minute if this doesn't stop! ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Aug 10, 2012, 4:24 pm

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