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Scattered Hills is back!

Vroomhoff Lobotomizers Racer Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 240 Joined: Sep 5, 2012 *sam* said: Give the AI a few weeks, Crispin.. they need a bit of time to build up their knowledge of the map; after that, hopefully their pathfinding will improve. Seriously? Your AI learns the maps?? Or are you just pulling our legs? ......................... vet wv race1 e2g ped2 circuit3 semiprocombat northernsummer pvp5 Posted Sep 20, 2012, 5:40 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Nope, it learns Why, does it make you uncomfortable that an AI is getting better and better at trying to kill you? ::Check out Sam's bio:: ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Sep 20, 2012, 5:44 pm Last edited Sep 20, 2012, 5:45 pm by Juris

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 This is the beauty of the AI in DW and why I find playing against the NPCs in this game much more than playing whack a mole. Some of the more remote areas will of course take longer for it to learn than the more common routes, but even basic terrain pathing is quite clever in this game, such as breaking los. It is also quite smart in the way it can place itself to avoid/draw/take gun fire. Some of those tricks mean they ram each other, but doing all the above is quite a complex ask of a bot. They need to take into account speed, risk assessment over terrain, angles, los, hiding, working in groups (watch the way they use each other as shields, quite clever). ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 21, 2012, 1:44 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Vroomhoff said: *sam* said: Give the AI a few weeks, Crispin.. they need a bit of time to build up their knowledge of the map; after that, hopefully their pathfinding will improve. Seriously? Your AI learns the maps?? Or are you just pulling our legs? Crowd-sourced pathfinding paper  ;-) ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 21, 2012, 10:24 am Last edited Sep 21, 2012, 10:25 am by *sam*

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Best game EVER. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Sep 21, 2012, 2:32 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Juris said: StCrispin said: Then I realized they dont like driving in the canyon, and the canyon does less damage to your tires than the road! sweet. Thx I'll try that - the canyon looked impassible Drive slow, in a good climber like an eaton.  My landy had a little more trouble as the AI shot my roof while I climbed and then tried to follow (but in poor climbers, so I got distance fast) Not saying they dont try to follow, but they dont seem too good at it.  Im sure by the time I resub they will be ready to eat my lunch. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 1:43 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 It won't be too good in a large group though. Its now bloody brutal for anyone caught in one of those crossings. I'd like to see how that pans out before making any further comment. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 3:53 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Bring back the bridges! One day... Without any discussion that I noticed... The best map in the game got removed and now we get a poorer version back. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 11:24 am Last edited Sep 22, 2012, 11:25 am by goat starer

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 don't you have anything better to do ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 11:48 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Bastille* said: don't you have anything better to do  nope... i appreciate the map getting back into the game.. and the effort to make that happen (as you know) but i dont appreciate the fact that my favorite map (because ambushes were genuinely dangerous) was removed without so much as a by your leave. put it back or i will go all shark on everyone!!! honest! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 8:34 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 goat starer said: *Bastille* said: don't you have anything better to do  put it back or i will go all shark on everyone!!! honest! Et Tu, Goate' ? To quote a certain Roman... ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 22, 2012, 10:59 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Goat said: but i dont appreciate the fact that my favorite map (because ambushes were genuinely dangerous) was removed without so much as a by your leave. Just wait till you get some of the new ambushes (not just here but elsewhere). I spend quite a bit of time trying to think up nasty places for them to be.  The one here in question was my main inspiration. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 23, 2012, 1:24 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 i don't want new ambushes.. i want the old ones that were perfectly serviceable say NO to progress! long live luddism ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 23, 2012, 8:12 pm

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Hey Bast, have you tried or considered trying the wooden bridge used on the canyon joust track in place of the old ones in scattered hills? How about the bridge used for the southern plateau map? In my opinion, the more narrow the bridge, the harder it is for the NPCs to navigate due to the limited pathing. If the wider bridges wre used, it appears to give th NPCs more options and they manage them a little better. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 23, 2012, 10:11 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 From what Ive heard down the grape vine,... they are actually one and the same ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 24, 2012, 2:15 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 LF- the problem is that pathing is done very differently in the wilderness and on the racetrack. In the wilderness there is a 'cliff avoidance' test which unfortunately screws with their ability to cross bridges - they're too scared, basically, since the terrain under the bridge drops off. On some maps (e.g. Southern Plateau) I have disabled this test since the map is mostly flat; however on Scattered Hills disabling the cliff avoidance would cause a lot more trouble for them. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 24, 2012, 11:11 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 It causes issues on Southernn Plataeu anyway, since there's a sharp curve before the bridge. Even if the road didn't have the curve, a player could simulate one by following the cliff edge before the bridge. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Sep 24, 2012, 12:38 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 S496170 FYI I was able to maneuver a lorry here, but setup was good to start. Trucker skill was around 120+. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 26, 2012, 2:23 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Good feedback. Im glad you posted that Longo. Im hoping it won't get too difficult here for some. Im kinda dreading coming through the region with several trucks and support. Especially if its an ambush. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Sep 26, 2012, 3:26 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 I'd give it a go, even with my current gang! Just need someone to hook me up with a lorry and some v8's for my escorts. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Sep 26, 2012, 8:59 am

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