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Intercept Proposal

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Bastille* said: Just because changes have not come into effect does not mean they are not being listened to. Its good to hash this stuff out. Im just yanking goats chain. I think sam mentioned that he forgot how to program that part of the game and thats why the items got shelved permanently Instead we will get that DW-LOL RTS thing he is so keen on making...  Someday... ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 1:55 am

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 StCrispin said: Joel Autobaun said: Grimm Sykes said: If you want PVP intercepts go play scav... thats another game, in the same sandbox You go play scav.  I don't have time to survive in it ..let alone pvp with 3 total players. I think its because me and boon play scav.  And we arent as much fun to hunt because we dont mind trashing out everything we have just to be annoying. But, no.  dont come intercept in scav because its so dang hard getting weapons!  That HMG on my Merc is more valuable than my Gang Leader! The guns are nice and all, but it is really the ammo that I call "my precious".  Each and every one. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 3:32 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I realise there might be 8 full time players in scav. In the lobby i see (right now) ZERO scav gangs and have never seen 3 at once I dont think. How about the "normal" game gets nuked so we can all play the same game and nearly everyone is at the start in scav anyway. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 3:40 am Last edited Dec 23, 2013, 3:42 am by Joel Autobaun

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Bolt Thrower said: The guns are nice and all, but it is really the ammo that I call "my precious".  Each and every one. We need a "Protector of Ammo" spec. Upon recieving internals the specced ganger throws himself on the ammo and takes a bullet to protect it from harm ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 4:08 am

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 StCrispin said: Bolt Thrower said: The guns are nice and all, but it is really the ammo that I call "my precious".  Each and every one. We need a "Protector of Ammo" spec. Upon recieving internals the specced ganger throws himself on the ammo and takes a bullet to protect it from harm Seriously, this would be awesome.  I hate going to reload and realizing it is time to run cause your extra clips got shot out the car. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 4:43 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 The only issue I have with intercepts are 1 there always town gates and the spawn points are often advantages to one side or the other. 2 if town intercepts are not kept in check you will get town bully's who will use the bounty system exploit. 3 if there's a prick hitting every time you scout he isn't a pray you can target due to him not exiting town. Knowing how you all snoop around they would know the soft target (no risk to them) and only hit them. 4 bounty out option would be painfully expensive to a newer gang, the last one I recall was 89,000 in SS. (what determines bounty price?) ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 9:54 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 The gates maps have the most varied and fair spawn points. The maps are generally better tactically for PvP. Be nice to have a change of scenery once in a while though. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 1:21 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Bastille* said: The gates maps have the most varied and fair spawn points. Like facing you at 45m away and blocking you from getting to any kind of covering terrain for at least 15 turns. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 3:17 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 When someone intercepts someone in town, from a camp, it is not on gates maps. Mad Mike had intercepted me like this last year from RCH. I wasn't who he was wanting to intercept but we figured we'd go ahead and duke it out. Point is intercepts do NOT always happen at gates. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Dec 23, 2013, 4:54 pm Last edited Dec 23, 2013, 4:55 pm by Grimm Sykes

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 StCrispin said: goat starer said: i agree... looks like that is settled then end of conversation lets get on with the changes Yes, just like you got on with the changes to Scav. When will the first one actually be implemented?  Its been MONTHS since they were okayed. The first one was implemented within days. The rest proved hard to code. Facts Crispin... Facts ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Dec 24, 2013, 1:47 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Joel Autobaun said: I realise there might be 8 full time players in scav.  In the lobby i see (right now) ZERO scav gangs and have never seen 3 at once I dont think. How about Scav is a very European game. It doesnt appeal to a shoot it from miles away or buy it off American paradigm. It has never been big.. or will be... But amazingly .. despite the howls... It works. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Dec 24, 2013, 1:50 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 StCrispin said: *Bastille* said: The gates maps have the most varied and fair spawn points. Like facing you at 45m away and blocking you from getting to any kind of covering terrain for at least 15 turns. Facing and distance is another thing entirely, well, mostly. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Dec 24, 2013, 1:58 am

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 We all know who can fix these things.... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Dec 24, 2013, 4:49 am Last edited Dec 24, 2013, 4:49 am by *Rev. V*

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 Grimm Sykes said: When someone intercepts someone in town, from a camp, it is not on gates maps. Mad Mike had intercepted me like this last year from RCH. I wasn't who he was wanting to intercept but we figured we'd go ahead and duke it out. Point is intercepts do NOT always happen at gates. Snipe intercepted me at Highway to Hell.  I think we were both out of GW, so point taken. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Dec 24, 2013, 5:21 pm

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 musashi_san said: Krakhedd said: Forced PvP-on will result in abuses (again) and noobs will be turned off to the game by it. sorry krak but what are you talking about? are you aware of any actual abuses of this type? or noobs being turned off? in 20 months here i'm aware of one incident sort of kind of in that vein. i've been open pvp for a good chunk of that time and, despite trying extensively, have never succeeded in intercepting anyone on purpose. was in a group scout once that mad mike intercepted, which was handled as gentlemen by both sides and was enormously fun, and accidentally intercepted someone new-ish once and truced out because i didn't want to beat up and discourage him (my squad was a bunch of uber gangers, at least for me, in scl mercs). i think even the most hard core current player knows better than to drive people away, and your concerns about it are really unfounded. i was on that side at the beginning, and made arguments similar to yours, but really, i was wrong. Only those I experienced when I was a noob. Juris intercepted me, Snipe, and Ninjamonkey.  We explained, hey two of us are relative noobs, let's truce.  No.  Ok, well then just let us run away.  No.  We had to bounty out for $500k - which was all the money I'd saved to that point and then some (Snipe and Ninja covered the entire bounty). Further, had we been forced to fight, we had even odds.  But, whereas we had muscles and Apes, Juris had an FE w/ twin TGs, and other support rigs.  The odds were even only in number of rigs; his CR was something like 1.5-2x ours. ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Jan 13, 2014, 4:33 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Krakhedd said: Juris intercepted me, Snipe, and Ninjamonkey.  We explained, hey two of us are relative noobs, let's truce.  No.  Ok, well then just let us run away.  No.  We had to bounty out for $500k - which was all the money I'd saved to that point and then some (Snipe and Ninja covered the entire bounty). Further, had we been forced to fight, we had even odds.  But, whereas we had muscles and Apes, Juris had an FE w/ twin TGs, and other support rigs.  The odds were even only in number of rigs; his CR was something like 1.5-2x ours. Gawd, this again.  This has already been discussed 1) The CR was even - you looked at my squad's CR AFTER the fight - but several of those vehicles were dropped as part of CR balancing for the actual event.  Only about half my squad was in the fight. 2) Snipe paid the bounty for you and laughed about it so you didn't lose any money 3) You could've looted a FE and a laser 4) My SS guys aren't that great - that squad was not optimized for PVP because I wasn't expecting it (see below) 5) It was a random intercept - I didn't try to intercept you.  It was like being struck by lightening.  In my entire time playing I've only had 4-5 random intercepts 6) You didn't quit over it, undermining your own point ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 13, 2014, 6:04 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 You are arguing with an amorphous cloud of confusion and anger juris. It can neither reason nor comprehend. Minor details like you being right and logic mean nothing to it. Give up... Everyone who counts understands. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 13, 2014, 6:44 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 My favorite intercepts were the ones on Lost, Boon, and 2 noobs who's names I have forgotten since they quit over it and didnt resub. What I dont understand is why they pay for a sub, decide to quit, and not at least play out their remaining time trying to anger the people who led them to quit. All those subbed accounts, unused and counting dow. Suk ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 13, 2014, 10:10 pm

*SmokeyKilla* The Wolf Spiders Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 224 Joined: Nov 1, 2013 I am all for PVP, however, it is hard for a noob to compete against guys who have 5 spec + gunners and drivers etc. Even if all the equipment/cars are equal in an encounter there is no possible way i can win against experienced players with their high spec gangers. The other day i did a scout with a vet of DW and this guy was demoing cars 150m+ out. He had to "let one through" just so i could shoot a couple of rounds. Basically a noob with 50-80 skilled gangers, one maybe 2 specs (like me) has no chance of winning. I need to get below 75m for half my shots to hit (approx). A DW Vet can sit back and basically take me out before i can even do any damage to his stuff. So as well as a CR rating we really need to have a GR rating as well (ganger rating). If we had this i would be PVPing all the time. But at the moment as it stands i cant even come close to competing with Players with high specced gangers, (not to mention the fact that they have way better stuff as well) ......................... vet wv marshal paintball semiprocombat pvp5 Posted Jan 13, 2014, 11:31 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Krakhedd said: musashi_san said: Krakhedd said: Forced PvP-on will result in abuses (again) and noobs will be turned off to the game by it. sorry krak but what are you talking about? are you aware of any actual abuses of this type? or noobs being turned off? in 20 months here i'm aware of one incident sort of kind of in that vein. i've been open pvp for a good chunk of that time and, despite trying extensively, have never succeeded in intercepting anyone on purpose. was in a group scout once that mad mike intercepted, which was handled as gentlemen by both sides and was enormously fun, and accidentally intercepted someone new-ish once and truced out because i didn't want to beat up and discourage him (my squad was a bunch of uber gangers, at least for me, in scl mercs). i think even the most hard core current player knows better than to drive people away, and your concerns about it are really unfounded. i was on that side at the beginning, and made arguments similar to yours, but really, i was wrong. Only those I experienced when I was a noob. Juris intercepted me, Snipe, and Ninjamonkey.  We explained, hey two of us are relative noobs, let's truce.  No.  Ok, well then just let us run away.  No.  We had to bounty out for $500k - which was all the money I'd saved to that point and then some (Snipe and Ninja covered the entire bounty). Further, had we been forced to fight, we had even odds.  But, whereas we had muscles and Apes, Juris had an FE w/ twin TGs, and other support rigs.  The odds were even only in number of rigs; his CR was something like 1.5-2x ours. 100% intellectually dishonest.  Your opinion is firmly entrenched in B.S.  Proven. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 14, 2014, 1:20 am Last edited Jan 14, 2014, 1:20 am by Joel Autobaun

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