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My First Deathrally, Joel again

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 He wonders why everyone is "always picking on him" Watch him here in this rigged event. The finishing order is predetermined and the redding of other peoples resigned gangers entirely predictable. The event Number is 251610 My advice is if you see Joel red him before he reds you. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 6, 2014, 2:45 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 that's capitalism for ya! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 3:08 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 There are some here who *REALLY* pissed him off. In his defense, 99.9% of the time he either gets blamed for things that he did not do or hated for exceptionally hard core play. He *HAS* declared war on what is viewed by him, as the "Care Bear" community. Be warned, whether you agree with him or not or if he deems you a viable target, he is an exceptional albeit ruthless opponent who hit a homicidal part of his DW psyche. Before I was part of the Alley, that dude laid *MANY* of my gangers to rest. However I never stopped coming, (and dying) It was a brutal series of lessons that taught me how fight better against both AI and human. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 5:10 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Either way, I see no respectable reason to shoot out a resigned player in an event unless you have a serious problem with that player. For someone to do that to MOST players shows me that he needs no defense (least of all from you). It just shows me that he sees in 2 colors - carebear and psychopath. Sorry if I am not either. But who is to say that to not be a carebear type means you have to be a psycho. One way or the other - I have been through many of Joel's kill em all moods. Which honestly is the only mood of his I would trust anymore anyhow. My point of view is - thats Joel. If you can't handle him - then avoid best you can. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 5:39 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 Snipe I agree, I have no idea what the term Carebear player even means and as you can see from the replay of the event I wasn't overly concerned at the loss of a fictional electronic person. I do however think that a spirit of competition is worth preserving. Joel seems to have picked me as someone to try and bully for some reason and its been going on six months since the episode with the SCL, since then he has tried on a couple of occasions to crash his resigned cars into my active ones in races and now has used my entry into an event as another excuse to be a bully. It was interesting reading the conversation had afterwards where Joel tried to persuade the other Alley drivers that everyone is against them too. This of course is drivel and I have no idea where that comes from. In this event the Alley did gang up on me to make sure they won the event but once I demo’d that was done. While I don't see the point of a league you cant lose this is still a legitimate tactic I suppose. It was however Joel and Joel only that took some sense of weird delight in delivering a punishment beating for no real reason. The sort of sick childish behaviour that sees cats with fireworks tied to them and other acts of mindless cruelty. Its funny and sad really as the point of the events and leagues is test each others skills at the race or event participated in. Joel is very good at the game and profess to enjoy the competition yet spends his game time removing the element of competition wherever possible. What did he achieve by killing my ganger, it wasn't in the wilds in a live or die situation. It was in an organised test of skill which unfortunately we will never know who is best at it as Joel has decided no else is allowed to take part. By fielding as an alliance into the COE the Alley has entirely removed it as a competitive event and just made it a way for an odd psychotic geek to gather more super kit. The thing is the kit isn't real, the competitive element is the bit worth playing. I and no doubt others would like to compete in the COE deathrallies but it is impossible as an alliance has taken over it so they can drive around in a procession. What is the point of that? don't you get bored? As far as the rest of the Alley playersI have played with most of you and have no issue with any of you, you all seem stand up guys and we have had fun, butts have been kicked, loot gathered, leagues and events won and lost all without any disagreements or unpleasantness. This is not an issue with the Alley Alliance who are mostly decent chaps with the same basic etiquette as everyone else. Joel merely picks someone whos game experience he would like to ruin and goes for it. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 6, 2014, 6:17 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 *Snipe* said: If you can't handle him - then avoid best you can. *amen* Unless you are new...  He leaves you alone there, unless you deliberately antagonize him. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 8:04 pm Last edited Jan 6, 2014, 8:24 pm by Necrotech

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Bigspenner said: *Snip - Edit - Snip* It was however Joel and Joel only that took some sense of weird delight in delivering a punishment beating for no real reason. The sort of sick childish behaviour that sees cats with fireworks tied to them and other acts of mindless cruelty. - More than likely, You have been seen as an enemy of his or his allies, acted untowards in some manner. The above statement as posted, including personal jabs, only earns more of that, be warned. Personally, I have no issue taking this out in the field and settling or maybe just duking it out there. Of course, that is where it belongs, not in a forum IHMO - What did he achieve by killing my ganger, it wasn't in the wilds in a live or die situation. It was in an organised test of skill which unfortunately we will never know who is best at it as Joel has decided no else is allowed to take part. - I would strongly disagree here. *Snip, edit* I and no doubt others would like to compete in the COE deathrallies but it is impossible as an alliance has taken over it so they can drive around in a procession. What is the point of that? don't you get bored? - Note, the reverse happens on the early events for other where it is again another parade. If COE was only @ particular time.... good times and carnage to be had - *snip, snip* Joel merely picks someone whos game experience he would like to ruin and goes for it. - Again, I disagree.. - ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 8:22 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 *Snipe* said: Either way, I see no respectable reason to shoot out a resigned player in an event unless you have a serious problem with that player. That is the crux of the issue. He does have serious issue, and yes feels ... in a sense, betrayed by a certain sect of the fanbase. Believe it or not, I believe his perspective is a love *for the game in itself*. He has been longer than most of us... easily I believe that he sees the game getting perverted from it's original vision. He blames much of that on some of the player base which tosses sometimes unreal expectations to change things, but also at *sam* I believe for listening to it instead staying the course and making his vision as "*sam*" saw fit. To an extent, I have to agree with some portion of that, especially perusing the forums... People may not agree with the above statement, but try to understand the perspective. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 8:33 pm

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 Joel doesn't need a defence, he's a "big boy". So this isn't really a defence but my experience, I suppose to provide some balance so that peoples views (especially any new guys) are not unduly swayed one way. When I first started doing COE I was not so much an enemy of Joel but another contestant (I suppose therefore you could say enemy). I always found Joel to be honourable. When I resigned and walked away after a beating (several times) he left me to it and I lived to have another go next week! I got along with him, as an opponent, as I did with everyone else in the game. I then took a year out and came back to a bit of a war with the Alley on one side and it seems most others on the other side. I was forced to make a choice, not by the Alley, not by Joel but by others waging a war to attack the Alley and it's members - putting bounties on (albeit low ones, but it's the principle!) and joining forces against Alley members in events. And you know what, it's great, it's great role play and I think it's great for the game having this level of competition. I think it's realistic that people need to stick together or get battered. I know if I join an event solo there is a chance I'll be a target, I know when I go on travels / scout I'll possibly be intercepted. The challenge is great. So far all I've seen of Alley's "policy" (if there is one) is innocent until proven guilty. A fair fight in a league, race, DR or combat will probably not make you guilty. However, choose the wrong side - declare your hand for RH, even if you don't fire a shot, will likely get you redded. Now the latter seems a bit harsh, I'll give you that, but some people have pushed Joel over the edge (I don't think he was standing that far from it in the first place!) so he (and now we) don't take chances with people any more. So, in summary, if ya don't want red use ya head. Steer clear of RH or anyone that even smells like it and you'll probably be fine. And if ya don't like that....bring it. GB ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 8:40 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 GrowlingBadger said: So far all I've seen of Alley's "policy" (if there is one) is innocent until proven guilty. *cough,cough - there is one - cough, - read.. $$$***List, - *cough* ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 8:45 pm

PA Racers PA Racers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,005 Joined: Feb 11, 2010 One question. How is this any differnt than what Shark did? ......................... vet wv ww northernsummer gwextrav gateautumn raceL1 race1 elmsautumn deathrceL1 e2g santa1 paintladder paintball pvp1 pvp4 pvp3 deathrce1 pvp2 combat1 circuit2 circuit3 circuit1 pvp528,161,23 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 9:15 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Always a target on RH. Which makes me wonder why - all we did was band together against the odds in gangers/equipement/players. And yet, just fighting back seems to justify redding out people even associated with us? This is the lack of competition I have spoken about. And BTW, RH rarely red others - even our enemies. Remember back Alley boys - you have ALL just about been there. RH has been inactive as a group for a while now - the fight isnt worth it in the scope of the game. Thus my Dexters post - and my gang going renegade. You want me - come get me. Leave my friends outta it. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 9:39 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 RH was more respectful than I wanted to be. Thats qhy me and my people never officially flew the RH flag when we had enough of the event dominating and abusive tactics. We wanted the freedom to execute our targets. And we did for a little while. Unfortunatly the opposition didnt see the distinction between groups. It was all Alley or RobinHood in those eyes. Even though there were really 3 or 4 distinct groupings. Due to the black or white nature of how things were seen, the more brutal of the Anti-Alley political camp brought undue death upon the more gentle groups (such as RH who tried to be honorable even if faced with dishonor). So we had to become more gentle instead of pursuing a more brutal and hateful path. Furthur bluring tge distiction between RH and non-RH factions within the Anti-Alley movement. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 9:57 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Hmmmm Be interesting to see if actual clans or player factions with the community would work. To be honest, their were times that Alley *AND* RH went overboard. Yes, one could blame this instance and that instance, but *shudder* agreeing with Crisp, then lines blurred until ultimately... Alley and RH thought process became very similiar. Even the ideology became in line to a point. The only main difference was the membership. Personally, I look forward to a good fight... hell even a bad one... I love the challenge, the smell of cordite, the sting of defeat (which brings a much needed slap in the face and valuable experience), and yes, sometimes that knowing grin that comes with victory. I love the hunt.. whether to be quarry or the predator. Sometimes even both of them at the same time. To me, fighting a human opponent gives me a satisfaction in this game that no AI could ever bring to the table. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:10 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 PA Racers said: One question. How is this any differnt than what Shark did? Shark did it without any sort of target in mind, without reason. A nearly mindless, unceasing ravenous creature. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:14 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 In the end it did not accomplish anything beneficial to the community. A number of newer players were run off. The "with us or against us" mentality applied by Alley members caused noob-targetting and "colored by who you run with" issues which made anyone associating with Anti-Alley folk automatically targets. The CoE became less enjotable because the Alley people played in the 2nd event, and Anti-Alley played in tge first event. Which took away the fun part of the war: shooting the people you are mad at. It also made the events more about worrying about the lead guy getting enough points to atay in the lead. (something which the Anti-Alley people have trouble doing. We tended to screw eachother over out if boredom and undermine our own objectives) It also fractured the community and created new resentments between players. On the bright side, it DID change the nature of the leagues. The Alley stopped dominating everything. Though maybe because many of them stopped playing DW. For whatever reason, events could not be "farmed" as easily when other joined purely for the purpose of messing the farmers game plans up. What I took away from the experience: I now think more like Joel than unlike him. Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing! LoL. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:17 pm

PA Racers PA Racers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,005 Joined: Feb 11, 2010 Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. ......................... vet wv ww northernsummer gwextrav gateautumn raceL1 race1 elmsautumn deathrceL1 e2g santa1 paintladder paintball pvp1 pvp4 pvp3 deathrce1 pvp2 combat1 circuit2 circuit3 circuit1 pvp528,161,23 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:27 pm Last edited Jan 6, 2014, 10:32 pm by PA Racers

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 And as far as the intentions of RH. We never cared to "fix" events - or make sure that we had people getting points. That is the type of playing we were against. Our philosophy was - let the best man win. Which included shooting at people - you, me and even them. For all the misinterpretations of our purpose - I am not sure that any of you even knew them. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:41 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Like I said in a now deleted topic... You didn't like the "good" heel...you won't like the bad one. My first deathrace and I got some death... there's gotta be a Rev song there... We have a history Spenny... you know that. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 11:04 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 In tough times like these, everyone needs to look to the nuns of Cestus Dei for guidance..... And, listen to this song.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phY5kExXPiQ "No speed limit signs on this highway, no one to say "Take it easy", no cops to hand out tickets..... Just a choice of $74,000 in prize money.... Or disappointment... Or death..." ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 6, 2014, 11:26 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 12:32 am by *Rev. V*

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