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My First Deathrally, Joel again

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 What do you want FF? Lets take it to a vote. Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:35 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 12:38 am by Joel Autobaun

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: What do you want FF?  Lets take it to a vote.  Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. What do *I* want? Joel, you should know me by now, what do you honestly think I would want if I was still playing activly? Take my playing style and past actions into account there. I will happily brag about my almost (damn you foul) spotless PvP record, be it SCL or wilderness PvP, you know this just as well as anyone else who would admit it. I don't care if you want to put it down to me having "Luck" or constantly abusing things like Psi. So I'm all for PvP, but I've said this before, the PvP you WANT cannot be had in DW, there is no playerbase to suppport it. Nevertheless I also have friends that play this game, and I'd rather go with what the majority of my friends want, what seems better for the game rather than my own ideals about this and those ideas are frankly, pretty biased. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:41 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 12:45 am by FireFly

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 FireFly said: Joel Autobaun said: What do you want FF?  Lets take it to a vote.  Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. What do *I* want? Joel, you should know me by now, what do you honestly think I would want if I was still playing activly? Take my playing style and past actions into account there. No idea Kid.  I think you just like to mouth off like most people here. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:42 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: FireFly said: Joel Autobaun said: What do you want FF?  Lets take it to a vote.  Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. What do *I* want? Joel, you should know me by now, what do you honestly think I would want if I was still playing activly? Take my playing style and past actions into account there. No idea Kid.  I think you just like to mouth off like most people here. Post edited but hey, keep playing the Big Shot Joel, it just comes off pretty tame knowing exactly how many times you've beaten me in an scl/pvp fight... how many were those again? Not to brag but a track record is a track record and you mostly beat up on lesser players who want nothing to do with PvP to vent some childish anger, whatever justification you use for it. Speaking of childish it's funny to see you trying to pretend that redding people in deathrace events someone constitutes PvP, it's not. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:48 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 12:50 am by FireFly

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 FireFly said: Joel Autobaun said: What do you want FF?  Lets take it to a vote.  Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. What do *I* want? Joel, you should know me by now, what do you honestly think I would want if I was still playing activly? Take my playing style and past actions into account there. I will happily brag about my almost (damn you foul) spotless PvP record, be it SCL or wilderness PvP, you know this just as well as anyone else who would admit it. I don't care if you want to put it down to me having "Luck" or constantly abusing things like Psi. So I'm all for PvP, but I've said this before, the PvP you WANT cannot be had in DW, there is no playerbase to suppport it. Nevertheless I also have friends that play this game, and I'd rather go with what the majority of my friends want, what seems better for the game rather than my own ideals about this and those ideas are frankly, pretty biased. How about an opportunity to kill my whole gang and be a hero? My whole gang against yours.  whatever vehicles whatever you want.  put up or shut the hell up. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:49 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: FireFly said: Joel Autobaun said: What do you want FF?  Lets take it to a vote.  Joel in or out , sound good everyone? That's how everything gets decided, let's be true about this. If I cant kill my enemies in a PvP event, I'm outta here. What do *I* want? Joel, you should know me by now, what do you honestly think I would want if I was still playing activly? Take my playing style and past actions into account there. I will happily brag about my almost (damn you foul) spotless PvP record, be it SCL or wilderness PvP, you know this just as well as anyone else who would admit it. I don't care if you want to put it down to me having "Luck" or constantly abusing things like Psi. So I'm all for PvP, but I've said this before, the PvP you WANT cannot be had in DW, there is no playerbase to suppport it. Nevertheless I also have friends that play this game, and I'd rather go with what the majority of my friends want, what seems better for the game rather than my own ideals about this and those ideas are frankly, pretty biased. How about an opportunity to kill my whole gang and be a hero? My whole gang against yours.  whatever vehicles whatever you want.  put up or shut the hell up. I'd be accused of unfair play  ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:52 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Not by me. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:53 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: Not by me. While it's tempting, I'm still unsure how this resolves anything outside of giving you the satisfaction of a proper PvP fight. On the other hand, most my good gangers are almost dead of old age anyway... So we'll see. Still, a fight would not be a solution and we'd be back to this argument in no time. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:58 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 1:00 am by FireFly

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 We all know what must happen..... Thunderdome..... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 8, 2014, 1:17 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 1:18 am by *Rev. V*

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 FireFly said: Joel Autobaun said: Not by me. While it's tempting, I'm still unsure how this resolves anything outside of giving you the satisfaction of a proper PvP fight. On the other hand, most my good gangers are almost dead of old age anyway... So we'll see. Still, a fight would not be a solution and we'd be back to this argument in no time. It's not an open request, you do it this weekend, you use this friggin topic as a chance to brag.  Prove it, put up or shut up. Whole gang (or as much as possible) SS or BL, you should be able to do it by the weekend. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 1:28 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 1:29 am by Joel Autobaun

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 It's not a flawed comparison, especially when it was multiple camps charging into destroy one. Also, Joel has thrown the gauntlet down and calling you to the carpet, shouldn't you be picking it up? Or did you lose something on the way ? FireFly said: Necrotech said: This coming from a person who conspired to literally eliminate the Vault? Remember those stones Firefly, remember those stones.... FireFly said: Oh Alley, if you only knew how many players (and potential PvP players) you guys have driven away from the game. I never bothered to participate much in this whole mess but the whole RH thing was clearly a result of actions The Alley took, cause and effect, think on that before shifting blame around. GrowlingBadger said: Then do what RH did (more effectively)and band together - the game mechanics work for sorting things out. Yes, history not only in this game but real history to clearly shows that forming highly antagonistic partisan cabals to counter other highly antagonistic cabals is a winning strategy, it never goes wrong, surely it must work this time to /sarcasm Comparing a year long, factional, vendetta driven fight that has pushed lots of players out of the game and has been fought mostly by rigging and redding people in deathrace events to, well... A month of open PvP warfare that had nothing to do with town events? Wow, those similarities. Even then, "Conspired to destroy a camp", lol, are you serious? It was a camp war, The Vault had already launched attacks on the defending camp and they were quite simply not prepared for a counterattack in force since they were attacking a camp of mostly lesser players. There are no hidden agendas here nor are there thing to read between the lines, it was a massive attack for sure, an attack that would end the war even, as intended! Even then, that's quite clearly what it was and it was nothing like the current situation. Please Necro, you're not stupid, you know this is a flawed comparison at best. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 1:29 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I said I'd think about it, that means I'll think about it, see, it takes some effort to move everyone around for a fight in a game I haven't really played for the last year. Effort I'm not sure I'm willing to spend. Define "Whole gang" by the way, because I define it as a squad challenge with zero equipment restrictions. But seriously the short sightness of you people is amazing. The way you react to just a little provocation makes it abundantly clear that all you guys are interested is in a fight, not a solution to any actual problem. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 1:45 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 1:46 am by FireFly

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 " The way you react to just a little provocation makes it abundantly clear that all you guys are interested is in a fight, not a solution to any actual problem." Well, to be honest, what sort of "solution to an actual problem" were you expecting from folks bickering on the forums? I mean, come ON, not a THING is getting solved in this thread. If we gotta read all this, we may as get some bloody entertainment! ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:15 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Its very true I am no longer trying to help this game I am just playing it. I tried helping with the exploits thing and boom, up in my face. Over and done. So - PM me what squad challenge you want. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:17 am

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 Blackwill said: Allowing Joel to skate over redding out someone's gangers because of a forum dispute?  What's next?  "I redded him out because he cut me off in a deathrace a few weeks back".. Wait for it... Yes.  My favorite moment in the game was when I was in a deathrace in which a veteran redded a newb for being a jerk.  The newb bumped into the Veteran's Lorry and then cursed.  The vet asked him to take it back and the newb did not.  Then he got redded and left the game. I wish this hadn't happened.  But the guy had it coming.  I'm a peaceful guy and I want us all to get along...but it's fun to play a game where you feel like you've walked into the cantina in Mos Eisley. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:35 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 Bigspenner said: *sam* said: Yeah, it has. I'm looking into it. Maybe there's game design flaws at play here, together with the kind of tensions that an unforgiving perma-death game is likely to create... I think the issue I some ways is what facility is missing which is the facility to challenge another player to a fight. I think if the game had the facility to pre arrange a combat in the wild or an arena where you can set the skill level and CR limits and can challenge anyone you want but they have the right to refuse then you have a great PVP platform. Players that want a more dangerous world can be PVP open although clearly few people want that as it just leads to the rich and highly skilled ganger owning gangs going around picking on people. If this was available and for example Joel had a beef with me he could issue a challenge specify CR limit, skill limit and whether it was a to the death and if I had the bottle i could accept. That way it wouldn't just be Joel and all his friends picking on someone. The leagues then could be more open to actual competition in the event as it was designed to be. I mentioned this in the past when Ally and RH were just forming alliances.    Set CR/ skill range   Option to decline with reputation loss in challenge town.     I was told that's what "Ladder events" were for, but I think the rules on the events are to strict for what we want to do to each other.  ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:45 am

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 --->  BrassFactory said: but it's fun to play a game where you feel like you've walked into the cantina in Mos Eisley. ---> This line... right here... should be displayed in neon frigging lights 10 miles high He  .... GETS IT! That is the flavor of this game.... Dirty seedy brutal sneaky... and ultimately deadly ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:51 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 2:51 am by Necrotech

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 BrassFactory said: Blackwill said: Allowing Joel to skate over redding out someone's gangers because of a forum dispute?  What's next?  "I redded him out because he cut me off in a deathrace a few weeks back".. Wait for it... Yes.  My favorite moment in the game was when I was in a deathrace in which a veteran redded a newb for being a jerk.  The newb bumped into the Veteran's Lorry and then cursed.  The vet asked him to take it back and the newb did not.  Then he got redded and left the game. I wish this hadn't happened.  But the guy had it coming.  I'm a peaceful guy and I want us all to get along...but it's fun to play a game where you feel like you've walked into the cantina in Mos Eisley.   LOL yeah that time and the time a noob/alt was in a combat event and got out to ped the Vet told him to stop, but was out of ammo. profanities were exchanged and the noob ped redded the vets car out.    Its not always the noob getting hurt   As for Spinner's big gripe your a big boy, and not a noob, you know how the game works problems are solved with blood!     Hunt him or pay a gang to do it for you!  Blood loss is part of the joy of this game ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 2:54 am

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 We can make there be a RP justification. I would be happy to put a $50,000 bounty on his gangers red-dead-heads. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 5:10 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 5:10 am by StCrispin

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Here is what I have to add - *Sam* - You can't handicap redding gangers. Shark was an exception and needed to get kicked. You already severally handicapped the game with the flag etc. Remember your vision....death! Bigspenner - Ever talk to Joel and cry Mercy? "Dude, I heel, I think we are even? Your not making the game fun for me anymore?" He is an intelligent guy and does listen to reason. The rest of you, whether it be RH, the nerd bros, or whoever isn't part of or friends with the Alley - Your biggest problem is you are terrible as a whole. You have no leader, no game plan, and we all laugh at you as you shoot each other rather than team up and fight. Toss Snipe out of the group, and I think with a decent car and new hires I could probably take 3 of you, 1 vs 3. Some of you are really good players, but put you all together and its sometimes comical. Read thru the previous posts...back when Joel was after Lord F, back when Wob was vs Joel, back when Necro's 3 peds in ped combat died in round 6 by my hand or Joels.... I used to fight Joel's elite HGers with new hires each week.... There were alot of red doods...but all of these names, they are all part of The Alley now. We decided to team up and fight, let previous competition and hard feelings go. Thats all you have to do. Evan is a mean world. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 6:41 am

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