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What a Game Breaking Bug Looks Like

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Event Number: S641305 Sam Has been notified of this. It has been used by Vets in the past and covered up. It has been Threatened to be used against players in PvP to "Red your entire gang at no risk" to the attacker (which I assumed was simply bragging until I learned the truth.) THIS BUG could be a GAME BREAKER! It needs fixed. Below are the details without going into HOW to cause it to happen: ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 4:42 am Last edited Jun 18, 2014, 6:42 am by StCrispin

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 This scenario, if we have an influx of steam players, could become a huge problem. This could be done in MORGAN where the 5 ganger cap could be circumvented and a player could roll a 20 Car scout with 80 Gangers as crew (or more) without using a single "real" ganger In my display example I had 20 cars and 63 crew. Please note that I intentionally lost. There was no gain (an as such it does not fit the criteria of using a bug for personal gain. ie: exploit) however it could be used for gain. With a larger playerbase who may not care much about the game it would be a game breaker. you could have 80 to 100 gangers in every town. You could scout non-stop to your hearts content without ever using your own gangers, risking anyones life or limb and make Millions of dollars without danger to your gang (for the record I spent $165,000 on the cars fo rthis example so ther ewas certainly NO gain at all! lol,) ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 6:54 am Last edited Jun 18, 2014, 7:00 am by StCrispin

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 Wow that's amazing, how does anyone finds a bug like that and how come no one who has allegedly used it has been brought to task? ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jun 18, 2014, 4:57 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Pretty hilarious I think you're being a bit hysterical. There is no way something like this could break the game. Setting something like this up requires 1) Someone to sacrifice a ton of vehicles and 2) someone to burn the faction sponsoring the escort mission. All to get a bunch of loser NPCs. You said it could be used to increase your gang size. That is not true. It just lets you fill your own vehicles with warm bodies. It couldn't be used to wipe out another player's gang because of CR balancing in PvP - I'd laugh if someone intercepted me this way - you aren't going to wipe me out with a bunch of NPC scrubs. The 'fix' would mean players couldn't control NPC passengers, which I've used on taxi missions when my taxi-mobile overturned. It'd be extremely lame if a passenger on an taxi mission couldn't be convinced to hop out and help right the car to allow you to escape ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 5:41 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 I think what crispin was implying was that a player, even a new one, could load up cars with skilled NPC's and use them without any risk to his own gang members. To fight NPC or to pvp intercept other players. Kind of like how gangers run away from their gang from starvation at a camp, but remain at a camp as pooled NPC's that anyone can use. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 5:52 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Grimm Sykes said: I think what crispin was implying was that a player, even a new one, could load up cars with skilled NPC's and use them without any risk to his own gang members. To fight NPC or to pvp intercept other players. To intercept another player, you need your squad set with your own vehicles with your own gangers in them. Being CR matched, as Juris quoted, would not allow an unbalanced/unfair battle. What I really want to hear is how you can use an NPC character, that is not a member of your gang, in an intercept squad? If this does exist, it definitely needs to be fixed. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 7:38 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 It's not a game breaker, because I'm sure it can be fixed - thanks for the info, Crispin. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 7:38 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 Well one way is to put a car in your squad, put in a ganger then put in a taxi client. Then go to the tavern and remove all characters from vehicles. now go back to your squad and your car will have only the taxi client in it. add the second taxi client and intercept or challenge another player. it works. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 7:42 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 Another way this has surfaced was with the login log out issues. I had a squad set to join, and went back to the lobby to get more details. Someone said something about a forum post so i clicked on the forum button in the lobby and went to post a reply. when i did it said i was not logged in. So I logged in, replied, then went back to the other tab and joined the squad. problem is now the first tab was logged out and it caused me to join the squad as a NPC which gave me a list over over 77000 NPC's sitting in SS. Couple days later I caught sam in the lobby while he was working to fix the login issues and told him about this. but i guess he was distracted and didn't remember. He probably gets bombarded with PM's when he joins the lobby. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 7:46 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 yet another way this happens is by taking a escort mission then logging out and going to the squad. I was told about how to do that from damon angel 4 years ago but never got it to work ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 7:50 pm Last edited Jun 18, 2014, 7:51 pm by Grimm Sykes

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Grimm Sykes said: Well one way is to put a car in your squad, put in a ganger then put in a taxi client. Then go to the tavern and remove all characters from vehicles. now go back to your squad and your car will have only the taxi client in it. add the second taxi client and intercept or challenge another player. it works. OK, I just fixed that one ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:05 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Grimm Sykes said: Another way this has surfaced was with the login log out issues. I had a squad set to join, and went back to the lobby to get more details. Someone said something about a forum post so i clicked on the forum button in the lobby and went to post a reply. when i did it said i was not logged in. So I logged in, replied, then went back to the other tab and joined the squad. problem is now the first tab was logged out and it caused me to join the squad as a NPC which gave me a list over over 77000 NPC's sitting in SS. Couple days later I caught sam in the lobby while he was working to fix the login issues and told him about this. but i guess he was distracted  and didn't remember. He probably gets bombarded with PM's when he joins the lobby. I think I fixed that one at the time you told me, did you retest it after that? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:06 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Grimm Sykes said: yet another way this happens is by taking a escort mission then logging out and going to the squad. I was told about how to do that from damon angel 4 years ago but never got it to work This is the one St Crispin PMd be about today. I didn't manage to reproduce it myself (something about being partially logged in I don't quite follow) however I have put in some extra security checks when adding characters to cars, awaiting him to retest it for me ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:08 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: Another way this has surfaced was with the login log out issues. I had a squad set to join, and went back to the lobby to get more details. Someone said something about a forum post so i clicked on the forum button in the lobby and went to post a reply. when i did it said i was not logged in. So I logged in, replied, then went back to the other tab and joined the squad. problem is now the first tab was logged out and it caused me to join the squad as a NPC which gave me a list over over 77000 NPC's sitting in SS. Couple days later I caught sam in the lobby while he was working to fix the login issues and told him about this. but i guess he was distracted  and didn't remember. He probably gets bombarded with PM's when he joins the lobby. I think I fixed that one at the time you told me, did you retest it after that? Yes, the joining squad while logged out failed in the last couple attempts i had made. I still have 1 squad that the NPC is a member of. I will test that once it arrives in BL. more in next post. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:17 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: yet another way this happens is by taking a escort mission then logging out and going to the squad. I was told about how to do that from damon angel 4 years ago but never got it to work This is the one St Crispin PMd be about today. I didn't manage to reproduce it myself (something about being partially logged in I don't quite follow) however I have put in some extra security checks when adding characters to cars, awaiting him to retest it for me Checked my escort mission that was sitting in SS. was still able to see the list of all the NPC's but when i attempted to add to vehicles, it just dropped them back out. however this has caused a additional problem... Now any NPC's that were sitting at camps can not be loaded, which means they just sit around and consume food/water. This should be fixed to allow access once again, or to make them not consume anything, or just clean house and remove all NPC's from all camps. This I know can be a touchy subject cause many camps have NPC's resulting from firing gangers and from runaways due to starvation. Camps use them to assist in camp defenses, but camps also need to be able to access them in order to get them out of there if food reserves become an issue. When my NPC active squad arrives in BL i'll check it , if thats fixed i'll post about it and remove them from my squad. ... more to come... ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:23 pm Last edited Jun 19, 2014, 1:49 am by Grimm Sykes

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 To reproduce the escort mission, I used two computers. One logged into the website, and the other one not logged in. On the secondary computer I would just have to go to the tab for squads and select search squads, then type in the squad ID number from the mission. As I said this doesn't allow gangers to be added any more but will still cause lag when people try to load that list of over 77000 NPC's so maybe you should disable the dropdown menu selections on the website until after a player logs in. If you do this, then a player who is not logged in, the only things that can be done are stuff listed on the side menu. Might be a good idea to do this also to prevent future DDoS attacks through the web client. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 9:29 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Grimm Sykes said: Now any NPC's that were sitting at camps can not be loaded, which means they just sit around and consume food/water. This should be fixed to allow access once again, or to make them not consume anything, or just clean house and remove all NPC's from all camps. I told you this wasn't a bug worth fixing.  This is almost funny. Glad things like fixing the SCL got put on the back burner for this hysterical GAME BREAKING BUG ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 10:03 pm Last edited Jun 18, 2014, 10:03 pm by Juris

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Grimm Sykes said: *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: Another way this has surfaced was with the login log out issues. I had a squad set to join, and went back to the lobby to get more details. Someone said something about a forum post so i clicked on the forum button in the lobby and went to post a reply. when i did it said i was not logged in. So I logged in, replied, then went back to the other tab and joined the squad. problem is now the first tab was logged out and it caused me to join the squad as a NPC which gave me a list over over 77000 NPC's sitting in SS. Couple days later I caught sam in the lobby while he was working to fix the login issues and told him about this. but i guess he was distracted  and didn't remember. He probably gets bombarded with PM's when he joins the lobby. I think I fixed that one at the time you told me, did you retest it after that? Yes, the joining squad while logged out failed in the last couple attempts i had made. I still have 1 squad that the NPC is a member of. I will test that once it arrives in BL. more in next post. Hmm, I see you were bringing about 40 guys to Badlands... all named Napolean Bonaparte  ....  why? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 10:26 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: Another way this has surfaced was with the login log out issues. I had a squad set to join, and went back to the lobby to get more details. Someone said something about a forum post so i clicked on the forum button in the lobby and went to post a reply. when i did it said i was not logged in. So I logged in, replied, then went back to the other tab and joined the squad. problem is now the first tab was logged out and it caused me to join the squad as a NPC which gave me a list over over 77000 NPC's sitting in SS. Couple days later I caught sam in the lobby while he was working to fix the login issues and told him about this. but i guess he was distracted  and didn't remember. He probably gets bombarded with PM's when he joins the lobby. I think I fixed that one at the time you told me, did you retest it after that? Yes, the joining squad while logged out failed in the last couple attempts i had made. I still have 1 squad that the NPC is a member of. I will test that once it arrives in BL. more in next post. Hmm, I see you were bringing about 40 guys to Badlands... all named Napolean Bonaparte  ....  why? napoleon complex? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 10:31 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 it's actually not complex at all. I wanted them out of the camp. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 18, 2014, 10:55 pm Last edited Jun 18, 2014, 11:01 pm by Grimm Sykes

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