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*Synyster Gates* Sleeper Cell N7 Racer Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 200 Joined: Nov 27, 2009 I can't help but think that Logan is just a critical player, wanting and hoping for this game to be a perfect copy of Car Wars, in action. nope.jpg I'd like to point out that yesterday he claimed that the game is always unfair and the deck is always stacked against the player(s). And yet, the event that has spawned all this trash talk of the game is supposedly the first event in which he's been in an unwinnable situation. All I can say is, bad scout, bad roll, it happens. Welcome to the usual Badlands odds. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 santa2 paintladder marshal ped1 Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:09 pm Last edited Oct 2, 2014, 11:09 pm by *Synyster Gates*

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 *Synyster Gates* said: I can't help but think that Logan is just a critical player, wanting and hoping for this game to be a perfect copy of Car Wars, in action. nope.jpg I'd like to point out that yesterday he claimed that the game is always unfair and the deck is always stacked against the player(s). And yet, the event that has spawned all this trash talk of the game is supposedly the first event in which he's been in an unwinnable situation. All I can say is, bad scout, bad roll, it happens. Welcome to the usual Badlands odds. I didn't claim that and it's a total misquote... I said the game is brutally unfair at times, most notably referring to bugs getting characters killed, which I have already seen others on this very thread confirm sometimes happen, and when it more than once in a row starts me with the enemy already in firing range on me and with little change to get away. My last two events are both examples of this if you want to see them. 2 events back, 7 cars on 1, 2 of them in firing range, infront of me, from turn 1, and I got away from that one, but then, right after that, 4 on 1 with, again, two cars lined up and in range to shoot from turn 1 and after just two shots demoralized my ganger. I've had a car bottoming out with the ground.. No wall, no sudden hill, not even a visible bump, destroy the front armor on a ride, destroy the engine and kill the driver all in one shot and the marshal that reviewed it agreed the whole thing was suspect and a bit extreme. I've seen cars that should be flipped completely over and turtled, suddenly reverse the direction they are rolling and pop up onto their wheels like they had springs in the side of the car to auto-right them when they roll. Also, yesterday, when I had not one, not two but three situations back to back I call extremely excessive in the brutality I was facing and well into the area of punishing, a fricken chaser ran across the bottom a lake and came out the other side in one piece, and I mean so deep you couldn't see the car at all in the water and by angling the camera and judging by the triangulation on the text, had to be at least 25 meters underwater. I've had my own rides suddenly and inexplicably, on flat ground, jump into the air like a an explosion went off under them when there was no enemy in range to even shoot at them and then land upside down, turtled by a bug. I am a bug magnet, and will outright state as much, but if Sam won't fix, review, or give restitution for game breaking bugs that cost me rides and drivers, then the game is brutally unfair... You wanna know why Steam users come and Steam users have mostly gone and the forum there is barely getting any attention?... It's for every reason I have given and on top of that, that there are veteran trolls in the lobby that are very qucik to tell anyone that has a problem to get lost, which isn't good for Sam, not good for the game, not good for the community and definitely not good for the game, and finally, the whole brutality of the game and how much the market has shifted to a CHR cost for the majority of what's on the market, it does not come across as truly Free2Play... It did when I first showed up, but since then, it has way changed, just over the last month but now, it looks a lot like Pay2Win. The game is not newbie friendly, IS very punishing, IS buggy, IS trolled, as has been proven in this very thread, and will continue to be a niche market for only the masochistic and truly tolerant players... or those that are the opposite of me and NEVER encounter bugs. PS: I am a critical player that is critical of games but I don't expect it to be a perfect copy of car wars as that would be getting into copyright infringement and unlike some of the players here (by what they told me) I am not a pirate that doesn't believe in copyrights and steals every game I play, so would not agree with plagarizing Car Wars... What I do expect is a game to work and have it's bugs addressed, but it is quite clear, from what I keep getting told, that most of the game breaking bugs this game has are not new, and will probably never be fixed. If I thought that bugs would be fixed, I'd bear with the bugs, but I do not like this as is, it is quite clear that Sam has a full time job and doesn't have the time to dedicate to fixing it and as I was told last night, he apparently refuses to let anyone that does have time and coding skills near it to fix it for him, so I have NO expectations that anything about this game I have issues with will ever change. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:31 pm Last edited Oct 2, 2014, 11:41 pm by Logan Kurtiss

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 You would not be the first person to think I am a masochist.... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:35 pm

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 I feel I need to add a couple more points to this because I got a strange feeling I'm going to end up arguing the points against a flame that has yet to happen here and that I have already heard in the lobby. Yes, I complain... No, I am not a complainer... I am a critic.. Thus the admission that yes, I am a critical player. If the person I am complaining to actually listens, they would find most of my complaints are constructive criticism and not flaming or trolling... and a world without anyone that complains is a world that will never change and will always have problems, because if no one complains nothing ever changes. Finally, there is a rule in politics that EVERY politician knows and it's called the 1% rule... The rule basically states that for every single time you get contacted with a complaint or grievance, there are almost garraunteed to be at least 99 other people, if not a hell of a lot more that have the same exact complaints or grievances but did not bother taking the time or effort to voice them. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:49 pm Last edited Oct 2, 2014, 11:50 pm by Logan Kurtiss

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 *Synyster Gates* said: I can't help but think that Logan is just a critical player, wanting and hoping for this game to be a perfect copy of Car Wars, in action. nope.jpg I'd like to point out that yesterday he claimed that the game is always unfair and the deck is always stacked against the player(s). And yet, the event that has spawned all this trash talk of the game is supposedly the first event in which he's been in an unwinnable situation. All I can say is, bad scout, bad roll, it happens. Welcome to the usual Badlands odds. So he was already good enough to challenge BL?  In a month?  Possible, but unlikely.  Prior knowledge of the Juan. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:55 pm

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 JS said: *Synyster Gates* said: I can't help but think that Logan is just a critical player, wanting and hoping for this game to be a perfect copy of Car Wars, in action. nope.jpg I'd like to point out that yesterday he claimed that the game is always unfair and the deck is always stacked against the player(s). And yet, the event that has spawned all this trash talk of the game is supposedly the first event in which he's been in an unwinnable situation. All I can say is, bad scout, bad roll, it happens. Welcome to the usual Badlands odds. So he was already good enough to challenge BL?  In a month?  Possible, but unlikely.  Prior knowledge of the Juan. Quit calling me Juan.. That's not my F-ing name and I never been here before a month ago so whoever this Juan is, it's not me... My name is Kami, not Juan. Get that through your skull, Shrek ADDED: And for the record, I don't need prior experience to learn how to play this game... I been playing computer games for 38 years and have a collection of thousands of games.. I have over 500 on Steam alone, and I've played most of them. There is 1 thing... 1 whole thing in this game that is new and original to me: The ghosts of the cars predicting where they might be... Everything else, I have seen or already experienced at some point in prior games, so take all your stupid attitude that I must have prior experience and shove it where the sun don't shine. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 2, 2014, 11:59 pm Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:11 am by Logan Kurtiss

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 Well if one was to go by the response of those on this board then I do believe Logan you have proven your point of trolls. Some of the responses have been out of line but the norm for those who have posted. Darkwind is like every other game and game forum where you will always see the like. Overall, I would hope that the maturity level was a bit higher here, and my experience is that it used to be that way, however this thread seems to going in the opposite direction. Darkwind is both challenging and punishing. I expect that in a game which is an open sandbox and thus allows a player to roam wherever. I can start a new squad wherever I can get a guy to and start scouting on the fly. This blurs the line between a challenge versus a punishment and it is up to the player to know the difference. The player has the responsibility in this game to manage their risks. Does the game identify and prepare you for how the danger levels increase as you go South? No, it doesn't and this should be seriously looked at as an area to improve upon. That said, in the end, a player should be asking themselves if they are prepared for the endeavors they are taking on. Should this be the end of your time in Darkwind then I feel the community will suffer a loss. In the times I have been on and read the comments in the client, you have always tried to be friendly and useful to all players. You have tried to help the game when you could and that is what all of us should be trying to do. Rags ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:00 am

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Ragnak said: Well if one was to go by the response of those on this board then I do believe Logan you have proven your point of trolls. Some of the responses have been out of line but the norm for those who have posted. Darkwind is like every other game and game forum where you will always see the like. Overall, I would hope that the maturity level was a bit higher here, and my experience is that it used to be that way, however this thread seems to going in the opposite direction. Darkwind is both challenging and punishing. I expect that in a game which is an open sandbox and thus allows a player to roam wherever. I can start a new squad wherever I can get a guy to and start scouting on the fly. This blurs the line between a challenge versus a punishment and it is up to the player to know the difference. The player has the responsibility in this game to manage their risks. Does the game identify and prepare you for how the danger levels increase as you go South? No, it doesn't and this should be seriously looked at as an area to improve upon. That said, in the end, a player should be asking themselves if they are prepared for the endeavors they are taking on. Should this be the end of your time in Darkwind then I feel the community will suffer a loss. In the times I have been on and read the comments in the client, you have always tried to be friendly and useful to all players. You have tried to help the game when you could and that is what all of us should be trying to do. Rags Sorry, but I am so gone... done playing.. Done spending a dime here... And the reactions on this thread are the kick in the ass that has helped me out the door.. You can thank your community members for helping seal the fate that I will no longer be playing. I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:04 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:12 am by Logan Kurtiss

Crazy AL Street Pizza Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Well, hopefully you keep an eye out on this post whether you actually post or not because I believe I'll be able to offer you some constructive criticism like you attempted to do for DW. I am older than you and my gaming history is much like yours. I have been playing games on the internet since they were text based MUDs all the way up through every popular MMO and highly rated single player game that I've been able to get my hands on and have the time to play so I hope (if you're still checking this post) that you at least respect my opinion like I've respected yours. The fact that you were scouting in BL is extremely suspect to me like it was to others reading this post. I am willing to acknowledge you have a high degree of gaming expertise, but I am not willing to admit you have gangers of any skill, nor a scout that has any business being in the southern triangle unless you're running single vehicle cargo runs with a fast car. As you can see to the left, I've been playing this game for a little while and I've played and STILL play Car Wars with my weekly gaming buddies. *I* still find BL challenging with a my best scout who has a 250+ scouting skill. That you would even try BL scouting with the skill level of your gangers was your first mistake. Most of what you described that went wrong that wasn't bug related sounds like a lousy skilled scout. Many, if not all will agree with me concerning BL and it's unfortunate that your prior gaming experience was actually somewhat of a detriment to your experience here in DW. I appreciate the fact that you posted your grievances rather than leaving without saying anything. Hopefully your comments will contribute to a better overall experience here for the players who stay. ......................... vet wv zom pvp1 ped1 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:26 am

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Crazy AL said: Well, hopefully you keep an eye out on this post whether you actually post or not because I believe I'll be able to offer you some constructive criticism like you attempted to do for DW. I am older than you and my gaming history is much like yours. I have been playing games on the internet since they were text based MUDs all the way up through every popular MMO and highly rated single player game that I've been able to get my hands on and have the time to play so I hope (if you're still checking this post) that you at least respect my opinion like I've respected yours. The fact that you were scouting in BL is extremely suspect to me like it was to others reading this post. I am willing to acknowledge you have a high degree of gaming expertise, but I am not willing to admit you have gangers of any skill, nor a scout that has any business being in the southern triangle unless you're running single vehicle cargo runs with a fast car. As you can see to the left, I've been playing this game for a little while and I've played and STILL play Car Wars with my weekly gaming buddies. *I* still find BL challenging with a my best scout who has a 250+ scouting skill. That you would even try BL scouting with the skill level of your gangers was your first mistake. Most of what you described that went wrong that wasn't bug related sounds like a lousy skilled scout. Many, if not all will agree with me concerning BL and it's unfortunate that your prior gaming experience was actually somewhat of a detriment to your experience here in DW. I appreciate the fact that you posted your grievances rather than leaving without saying anything. Hopefully your comments will contribute to a better overall experience here for the players who stay. 1st.. I was not scouting in the badlands.. I was traveling in an unarmed ride from GW to BL. Second, I still play MU*s sometimes as they have a level of RP and detail you can't find anyplace else (yet). ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:31 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Logan Kurtiss said: Ragnak said: Well if one was to go by the response of those on this board then I do believe Logan you have proven your point of trolls. Some of the responses have been out of line but the norm for those who have posted. Darkwind is like every other game and game forum where you will always see the like. Overall, I would hope that the maturity level was a bit higher here, and my experience is that it used to be that way, however this thread seems to going in the opposite direction. Darkwind is both challenging and punishing. I expect that in a game which is an open sandbox and thus allows a player to roam wherever. I can start a new squad wherever I can get a guy to and start scouting on the fly. This blurs the line between a challenge versus a punishment and it is up to the player to know the difference. The player has the responsibility in this game to manage their risks. Does the game identify and prepare you for how the danger levels increase as you go South? No, it doesn't and this should be seriously looked at as an area to improve upon. That said, in the end, a player should be asking themselves if they are prepared for the endeavors they are taking on. Should this be the end of your time in Darkwind then I feel the community will suffer a loss. In the times I have been on and read the comments in the client, you have always tried to be friendly and useful to all players. You have tried to help the game when you could and that is what all of us should be trying to do. Rags Sorry, but I am so gone... done playing.. Done spending a dime here... And the reactions on this thread are the kick in the ass that has helped me out the door.. You can thank your community members for helping seal the fate that I will no longer be playing. I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. bless you... you join a game... immediately start running around trying to play the most difficult bits with inadequate gangers, inadequate experience and inadequate patience. This is clearly not the game for you. and ragnak.. If you cant spot a rather unpleasant troll when you see one you should refrain from comment. This is a thread started by someone with nothing constructive or positive to say... who reacted with nothing positive to the first comments and frankly earned the 'Juan' label JS gave him. The game will be much the richer for losing another kid with no ida of how turn based games work and no patience to play the game at the level he is at. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:32 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:35 am by goat starer

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 goat starer said: Logan Kurtiss said: Ragnak said: Well if one was to go by the response of those on this board then I do believe Logan you have proven your point of trolls. Some of the responses have been out of line but the norm for those who have posted. Darkwind is like every other game and game forum where you will always see the like. Overall, I would hope that the maturity level was a bit higher here, and my experience is that it used to be that way, however this thread seems to going in the opposite direction. Darkwind is both challenging and punishing. I expect that in a game which is an open sandbox and thus allows a player to roam wherever. I can start a new squad wherever I can get a guy to and start scouting on the fly. This blurs the line between a challenge versus a punishment and it is up to the player to know the difference. The player has the responsibility in this game to manage their risks. Does the game identify and prepare you for how the danger levels increase as you go South? No, it doesn't and this should be seriously looked at as an area to improve upon. That said, in the end, a player should be asking themselves if they are prepared for the endeavors they are taking on. Should this be the end of your time in Darkwind then I feel the community will suffer a loss. In the times I have been on and read the comments in the client, you have always tried to be friendly and useful to all players. You have tried to help the game when you could and that is what all of us should be trying to do. Rags Sorry, but I am so gone... done playing.. Done spending a dime here... And the reactions on this thread are the kick in the ass that has helped me out the door.. You can thank your community members for helping seal the fate that I will no longer be playing. I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. bless you... you join a game... immediately start running around trying to play the most difficult bits with inadequate gangers, inadequate experience and inadequate patience. This is clearly not the game for you. For the third fricken time in this thread... I was NOT SCOUTING!!. I was travelling in an unarmed ride!! Before you troll a forum you should actually read everything on it to make sure your flames are at least valid. And when getting gangers thrown in Firelight, I don't where I have a fricken choice in whether or not I go south of the triangle. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:35 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 i didn't say you were.. travelling inthe south is just as hard as scouting if you dont have a scout. You were doing end game activities when you were a noob.... that is just stupid. I said you were trying to play the difficult bits of the game... i didnt mention scouting... i think only one person has reading issues. you always have a choice... there are multiple free taxi services run by all these nasty trolls you keep banging on about... horrible helpful trolls that will help you get your characters out of firelight. or you could have abandoned them... since none of them were any better than new hires. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:37 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:40 am by goat starer

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 goat starer said: i didn't say you were.. travelling inthe south is just as hard as scouting if you dont have a scout. You were doing end game activities when you were a noob.... that is just stupid. you always have a choice... there are multiple free taxi services run by all these nasty trolls you keep banging on about... Again, I must correct you.. I have said already, as well, that not everyone is trolls, but there are enough that it's an issue, and even if there weren't a lot, it doesn't take many when let to flame freely to make a place very unwelcoming. In this thread, for example, not everyone commenting is a troll, but you are the biggest one. What's more, every veteran agreeing that I have proven my point on trolls is going to remember you as one, so I may be leaving and you don't have to worry about offending me cause I won't be sticking around, but I assure you, others will remember. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:41 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:42 am by Logan Kurtiss

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 JS said: Logan Kurtiss said: JS said: Hello Juan. Do you ever tire of this? Pucker up and kiss my backside... I'm not this fricken Juan and I resent being accused of being someone else that you all already clearly have an issue with... infact, I was accused of being Juan about 20 times when I was trying to explain the bug that everyone denied existed till i proved it by video and Sam found it. I am a player that arrived a month ago, went Premium and am a very disappointed paying customer and not a returning person you have a grudge against. And @Necro.... I'm a 46 year old gamer that has been into both tabletop RPGs and playing video games since '78... I learn very fast.. I am sick of both being accused of knowing too much to be a noob or being too noob to know the difference between a bug and a feature... I can't be both and both are insulting to me. Heck, I'll go as far as tooting my horn here and outright tell you folks I'm a certified genius and not the stupid noob some of you seem to think I am.. I have also been a playtester for Steve Jackson Games and White Wolf Studios as well as a beta tester on many an MMO.... I am not new to games, confused about what is or isn't a bug, and I have a very good idea of what makes or breaks a game, as I been studying game design for 25 years now. Juan confirmed. So so much Juan. I have to admit... the genius line got me too. For my part, I'll just say I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that this game can have serious and permanent consequences to a series (or even a few) poor decisions on the player's part. I really loathe the modern trend of games being so easy that pretty much anyone will win any and all of the time.  This game is such a refreshing departure from that. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:46 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: i didn't say you were.. travelling inthe south is just as hard as scouting if you dont have a scout. You were doing end game activities when you were a noob.... that is just stupid. you always have a choice... there are multiple free taxi services run by all these nasty trolls you keep banging on about... Again, I must correct you.. I have said already, as well, that not everyone is trolls, but there are enough that it's an issue, and even if there weren't a lot, it doesn't take many when let to flame freely to make a place very unwelcoming. In this thread, for example, not everyone commenting is a troll, but you are the biggest one. What's more, every veteran agreeing that I have proven my point on trolls is going to remember you as one, so I may be leaving and you don't have to worry about offending me cause I won't be sticking around, but I assure you, others will remember. nobody in this thread is a troll other than you... post negative comments... react to advice negatively... you misquote people for flame purposes... you shout... you accuse the community of being trolls... you make totally unfounded accusations. These are the actions of a troll. As i pointed out early in this thread acusing you of being another player was hardly helpful and the people who did it (not me) may have helped to make you angry but your flaming, your trolling, your unpleasantness got you where you are. just calm down. if you are leaving leave... if not listen to some of the sage comments of your peers and in particular the people who have played a lot longer than you and then go back and play the game as it was intended.. not how you want it to be. the weird thing is... I actually think you are Juan now... Shouldn't have called JS and Necro on it earlier. they are clearly more perceptive than I. The fact that you told everyine you didnt like the game.. announced tat you were leaving and then stayed around to see if you had started something tells me everything I need to know. the fact that your experience of a polite and helpful lobby is that everyone there is flaming you must surely tell you something about you rather than the lobby? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:46 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:54 am by goat starer

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 There are those who will look at Darkwind -- a game that, largely through one person's effort, has brought Car Wars to life in a way no other game even begins to approach -- and only see the bad. They'll have a lot to gripe about too, if they look with that in mind, and they will point to each item with indignant rage and demand to know why these things haven't yet been addressed to their satisfaction. However, there are also those who will look at Darkwind and marvel at the developer's efforts, reveling in the world he has created. They will see the game -- the whole of the game -- as a damned impressive feat; they will intuitively realize that in a world of corporately-produced, by-the-numbers products, something as unique as Darkwind is worth the requirements it places on them. Over time they will discover that the game evolves largely according to players' input; that a situation viewed as "game-breaking" by one person is, for others, a challenge to be overcome; and that those events that piss them off the most are also the events from which they can emerge bloody, scarred, perhaps enraged, but also with the will to conquer it the next time out. I count myself among the second group, as do most who appreciate the DW concept. This is probably because I looked for a turn-based vehicular combat game for so long that, when I finally made the discovery, I was willing to overlook (or work around) the flaws in order to enjoy the game as a whole. If I came across a phalanx of enemies that magically appeared on my rear bumper, I'd curse my gangers for paying too much attention to the ancient Motorhead tape they'd discovered instead of their surroundings, and write it into my "story" of the event. When my ganger had a third or fourth arm blown off in the same event, I imagined their shock and horror at having their bleeding stump blasted yet again in some cruel twist of godless irony. And when something truly was broken, and a bug caused the loss of something substantial -- and it probably happened to all of us at one time or another -- I contacted Sam and, when the bug was deemed responsible for my loss, found my stuff returned to me as if by magic. As I said, those in the first group will never be happy with this game. And Logan Kurtiss, you have my condolences, because the Darkwind experience can be so much more than you are choosing to make it. I understand that not everybody is as willing as I am to accept the little (and sometimes large) irritations that will probably forever be a part of DW, and that's okay because there are a zillion other offerings out there for them, and for you, and I wish you luck in finding something more to your liking. Me? I think I'll stick it out here, and on October 6th, when it's time to give Sam more of money, I'll do it happily. And as for the trolls? Get over it man. The internet is one giant freaking troll, and frankly your rants in the lobby remind me of a quaint little saying: "When you point the finger at somebody, there are three of 'em pointing right back at you." Probably a ramble by now. But my point is in there. Thanks for the game, Sam. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:54 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:58 am by *JeeTeeOh*

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 goat starer said: Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: i didn't say you were.. travelling inthe south is just as hard as scouting if you dont have a scout. You were doing end game activities when you were a noob.... that is just stupid. you always have a choice... there are multiple free taxi services run by all these nasty trolls you keep banging on about... Again, I must correct you.. I have said already, as well, that not everyone is trolls, but there are enough that it's an issue, and even if there weren't a lot, it doesn't take many when let to flame freely to make a place very unwelcoming. In this thread, for example, not everyone commenting is a troll, but you are the biggest one. What's more, every veteran agreeing that I have proven my point on trolls is going to remember you as one, so I may be leaving and you don't have to worry about offending me cause I won't be sticking around, but I assure you, others will remember. nobody in this thread is a troll other than you... post negative comments... react to advice negatively... you misquote people for flame purposes... you shout... you accuse the community of being trolls... you make totally unfounded accusations. These are the actions of a troll. As i pointed out early in this thread acusing you of being another player was hardly helpful and the people who did it (not me) may have helped to make you angry but your flaming, your trolling, your unpleasantness got you where you are. just calm down. if you are leaving leave... if not listen to some of the sage comments of your peers and in particular the people who have played a lot longer than you and then go back and play the game as it was intended.. not how you want it to be. the weird thing is... I actually think you are Juan now... Shouldn't have called JS and Necro on it earlier. they are clearly more perceptive than I. I am NOT JUAN!! and I am getting really offended at folks calling me someone else... You wanna know who I am? Go look at my channel on Twitch.tv: Vizhonary... Juan is not my name.. I have no idea who this Juan is, but I am definitely offended at being called a name that is not only not mine but clearly intended to be an insult, and what's more, why don't you ask Sam if I am Juan or not? He would know who I am through my becoming Premium here and if Juan was ever Premium, he'd know who Juan is too, and could definitely confirm I am NOT Juan, so I'd really appriciate it if all you A-holes would stop calling me Juan. If I remind you of this Juan and he got anywhere near the treatment I been getting in this thread, then maybe he had some valid points and a second person giving similar criticism is just backing this Juan up, but clearly you folks are too dense to fathom the idea that two different people might have similar perspectives, eh?... Of the billions of people in this world, if two similar comments appear, they must be the same person? You are clearly a dumb troll. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:55 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:55 am by Logan Kurtiss

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Logan Kurtiss said: I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. Oh yea?  Well then nothing to lose... You are weak.  This game is not for you.  You are the classic old bitter gamer who cannot have FUN, who is constantly in search of a new game to WORK on and never PLAY. You can never go backwards...never suffer a loss and you think you are so smart you can take on the hardest part of the game inside a month of starting and have the right to bitch when it blows up in your face. You do sound like Juan, you sound like you want the solo scouting in BL even easier so you can make endless millions to some meaningless end.  Its about having fun, Sam usually refunds crap you lost because of a bug he hasn't fixed yet.  The rest you eat and roleplay the loss.  YES PLAY the game super nerd. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:55 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Logan Kurtiss said: Crazy AL said: Well, hopefully you keep an eye out on this post whether you actually post or not because I believe I'll be able to offer you some constructive criticism like you attempted to do for DW. I am older than you and my gaming history is much like yours. I have been playing games on the internet since they were text based MUDs all the way up through every popular MMO and highly rated single player game that I've been able to get my hands on and have the time to play so I hope (if you're still checking this post) that you at least respect my opinion like I've respected yours. The fact that you were scouting in BL is extremely suspect to me like it was to others reading this post. I am willing to acknowledge you have a high degree of gaming expertise, but I am not willing to admit you have gangers of any skill, nor a scout that has any business being in the southern triangle unless you're running single vehicle cargo runs with a fast car. As you can see to the left, I've been playing this game for a little while and I've played and STILL play Car Wars with my weekly gaming buddies. *I* still find BL challenging with a my best scout who has a 250+ scouting skill. That you would even try BL scouting with the skill level of your gangers was your first mistake. Most of what you described that went wrong that wasn't bug related sounds like a lousy skilled scout. Many, if not all will agree with me concerning BL and it's unfortunate that your prior gaming experience was actually somewhat of a detriment to your experience here in DW. I appreciate the fact that you posted your grievances rather than leaving without saying anything. Hopefully your comments will contribute to a better overall experience here for the players who stay. 1st.. I was not scouting in the badlands.. I was traveling in an unarmed ride from GW to BL. Second, I still play MU*s sometimes as they have a level of RP and detail you can't find anyplace else (yet). Wow... u are complaining about it being too hard travelling in an unarmed ride.  You are getting some major blow back on your steam review.  You have earned and enemy for life there. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:58 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 12:58 am by Joel Autobaun

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