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Announcing the new Camp Wars system

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Sam- Been talking to a few people, and wanted to ask for maybe this - For weekly camp war reset, make it Monday rather than Friday? As it is now, I know we are trying to make camp battles on the weekends, but finding out Friday about camp wars that are happening in 24 hours or less doesnt give much time to plan or talk with an opponent about changing the date and time. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 29, 2020, 5:03 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Longo* said: Sam- Been talking to a few people, and wanted to ask for maybe this - For weekly camp war reset, make it Monday rather than Friday? As it is now, I know we are trying to make camp battles on the weekends, but finding out Friday about camp wars that are happening in 24 hours or less doesnt give much time to plan or talk with an opponent about changing the date and time. Yeah, that had been on my mind. Is Monday the best? (rather than a day or two later) I would change the weekly camp reset in its entirety to the new day. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 29, 2020, 5:44 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Longo is absolutely right. being given 4 camp battles in 2 days with less that 24 hours notice is frankly impossible... especially when some are at incredibly anti social times. Its a deal breaker for me. so.. limit the number of occupied hexes a camp can attack... make the server apply a maximum of one event per day unless there are too many to make this possible... give at least 48 hours notice to the first event. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 29, 2020, 8:54 pm

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 I thought we're meant to have a week to sort our camp attacks? ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted May 29, 2020, 9:05 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Tez said: I thought we're meant to have a week to sort our camp attacks? the cycle should probably be three weeks... week one place... week 2 schedule... week 3 war ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 29, 2020, 9:44 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 30, 2020, 12:12 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 having auto wins is bad imo, i have 2 cars they have 14 is a challenging fight not an auto loss for some of us imo. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted May 30, 2020, 12:43 am

Dropdeadfred Main Street Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 59 Joined: Dec 15, 2015 I would agree, auto wins probably shouldn't be a thing in a PvP setting. ......................... vet wv ped1 paintball0,1,0 Posted May 30, 2020, 1:06 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater Forget this forum talk... some of these changes are coming fast and from the hip - can we have another town meeting?  (sooner before changes like this) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted May 30, 2020, 1:18 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays Why choose the businest dw day of the week for this? - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary OK - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater Ill give you 400 cr and Ill take 100 and we will see who the community votes to winning the battle....  ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 30, 2020, 1:34 am

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 OOOOooooooo Longo just called you out Sam!!!!!! Only one way to settle this!!! Thunderdome!!!! ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted May 30, 2020, 5:24 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Longo* said: *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays Why choose the businest dw day of the week for this? - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary OK - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater Ill give you 400 cr and Ill take 100 and we will see who the community votes to winning the battle....  he can beat you in a wurzel  ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 30, 2020, 5:46 am

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater I think this is a bad idea.  Show up to play or lose, regardless the advantage.  That is the Darkwind way; else wise, we wouldn't have renegades, would we? ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted May 30, 2020, 6:30 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i dont think players ashould be able to target the camp flag and destroy it so people cant see where it is in camp wars, make them invulnerable to player fire. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted May 30, 2020, 6:37 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 darthspanky said: i dont think players ashould be able to target the camp flag and destroy it so people cant see where it is in camp wars, make them invulnerable to player fire. Someone had to test it.  Make the pole indestructible solves this issue. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 30, 2020, 6:51 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *Longo* said: Sam- Been talking to a few people, and wanted to ask for maybe this - For weekly camp war reset, make it Monday rather than Friday? As it is now, I know we are trying to make camp battles on the weekends, but finding out Friday about camp wars that are happening in 24 hours or less doesnt give much time to plan or talk with an opponent about changing the date and time. I agree to a monday camp war reset day. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 30, 2020, 6:54 am Last edited May 30, 2020, 6:54 am by *The X Man*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Krakhedd said: *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater I think this is a bad idea.  Show up to play or lose, regardless the advantage.  That is the Darkwind way; else wise, we wouldn't have renegades, would we? There is a concede button to prevent the need for people to effectively time grief the opposition by creating lots of unwinnable battles. Forcing people to turn up at events you have absolutely no intention of playing competitively I'd the very definition of time griefing. That was an attempt to let the player base be mature enough to behave with generosity and responsibility If.they can't / won't I dont see that sam has much choice It might also have the advantage of limiting the number of weekly combats to a playable level. Most people are trying to make the system run fairly and well. A few seem intent making camp wars unplayable from the start. It's basically wrecking behaviour and it's makes the community poorer in the long run. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 30, 2020, 7:53 am Last edited May 30, 2020, 10:54 am by *goat starer*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Krakhedd said: *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater I think this is a bad idea.  Show up to play or lose, regardless the advantage.  That is the Darkwind way; else wise, we wouldn't have renegades, would we? Joel proved that this rule *is* necessary, by wasting everyone's time this morning. I'm also removing the 500m auto-escape rule for these combats. Everyone seems to agree with that. It would have been better if you just told me though Joel, rather than proving your point by misusing it. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 30, 2020, 10:47 am Last edited May 30, 2020, 11:02 am by *sam*

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: Krakhedd said: *sam* said: How about this: - Change the weekly camp update day to Sundays - Have the server pick combat dates that are the following weekend, i.e. 7 days notice so you can agree changes as necessary - Have automatic wins if the CR balance is 4:1 or greater I think this is a bad idea.  Show up to play or lose, regardless the advantage.  That is the Darkwind way; else wise, we wouldn't have renegades, would we? Joel proved that this rule *is* necessary, by wasting everyone's time this morning. I'm also removing the 500m auto-escape rule for these combats. Everyone seems to agree with that. It would have been better if you just told me though Joel, rather than proving your point by misusing it. Sam- Auto wins could be dangerous if the odds are not obvious. Like I said before, I would role 1 to 4 odds myself. But not 10 to 1 odds. The Vault vs Camp David last week was 2 to 1 odds, and you saw the result yourself. So if your going to make an auto win, please keep this in mind. Im thinking a really good player that can fight against the odds and always has good strategy, such as Joel or Xman, could potentially do serious damage and have a chance of winning on odds up to 5 to 1, so maybe start here and adjust if need be? This could be adjusted if we see more issues down the road. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 30, 2020, 12:13 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 In defence to Joel, he turned up for the event, I am deeply glad he didn't ultimately misuse the auto-escape - so I don't think it is entirely reasonable or fair to say he misused it. I am somewhat wary of autodefeats, but it would have to be at least 5 to 1. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted May 30, 2020, 1:16 pm

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