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Scripts v.323, Camp wars

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 This adds camp wars related functions: - the ability to escape characters, even inside cars, during camp wars battles - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 12, 2020, 12:52 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 *sam* said: - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting Could this be extended to all PvP as an option? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted May 12, 2020, 1:43 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Yes. I should have done it at the same time. Will add soon. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 12, 2020, 2:13 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *sam* said: This adds camp wars related functions: - the ability to escape characters, even inside cars, during camp wars battles - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting Will this include incapacitated characters inside the vehicle? Currently, you would have to pull them out of the vehicle with another character before they can be safely escaped. And should it be included??? I would say to let these changes play out first in camp wars to make sure all works to players expectations. I am sure some of the vets will be able to fully test out with strategies and tactics if anything negative is possible. Also, would like to hear from some of the main PVPers, thoughts and input. Whether or not players realize, diluting the PVP waters will forever change the risk and how the game will be played. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 12, 2020, 4:28 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 *The X Man* said: Whether or not players realize, diluting the PVP waters will forever change the risk and how the game will be played. +1 good point and well presented ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted May 12, 2020, 5:20 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 only isssue i see is the revenge factor, someone reds one of your guys and you try to red them back and poof they disapear then talk smack, my bet is it will eventually happen. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted May 12, 2020, 5:50 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 darthspanky said: only isssue i see is the revenge factor, someone reds one of your guys and you try to red them back and poof they disapear then talk smack, my bet is it will eventually happen. Arguing... side comments and backhanded insults have been the real PVP since 2009. Im done. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted May 12, 2020, 6:15 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *The X Man* said: *sam* said: This adds camp wars related functions: - the ability to escape characters, even inside cars, during camp wars battles - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting Will this include incapacitated characters inside the vehicle? Currently, you would have to pull them out of the vehicle with another character before they can be safely escaped. And should it be included??? I would say to let these changes play out first in camp wars to make sure all works to players expectations. I am sure some of the vets will be able to fully test out with strategies and tactics if anything negative is possible. Also, would like to hear from some of the main PVPers, thoughts and input. Whether or not players realize, diluting the PVP waters will forever change the risk and how the game will be played. Good points, XMan. See how it plays out here first before committing to broader usage. Yes, this even includes incapacitated characters. The goal is to go as far as we can to mitigate risk to characters. Like all changes, it can even be removed later. This is what we agreed at our meetings about camp wars, though.. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 12, 2020, 7:21 pm Last edited May 12, 2020, 7:22 pm by *sam*

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Diluting it is not necessarily a bad thing, it could go either way. Will be interesting to see how it pans out. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted May 12, 2020, 7:32 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Dark Tempest* said: *sam* said: - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting Could this be extended to all PvP as an option? *sam* said: Yes. I should have done it at the same time. Will add soon. This will be great for SCL. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 12, 2020, 9:15 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: *The X Man* said: *sam* said: This adds camp wars related functions: - the ability to escape characters, even inside cars, during camp wars battles - the winning team is now given the option to decline looting Will this include incapacitated characters inside the vehicle? Currently, you would have to pull them out of the vehicle with another character before they can be safely escaped. And should it be included??? I would say to let these changes play out first in camp wars to make sure all works to players expectations. I am sure some of the vets will be able to fully test out with strategies and tactics if anything negative is possible. Also, would like to hear from some of the main PVPers, thoughts and input. Whether or not players realize, diluting the PVP waters will forever change the risk and how the game will be played. Good points, XMan. See how it plays out here first before committing to broader usage. Yes, this even includes incapacitated characters. The goal is to go as far as we can to mitigate risk to characters. Like all changes, it can even be removed later. This is what we agreed at our meetings about camp wars, though.. if you really wanted to mitigate risk to characters without removing all impact you could simply make it the case that any character who 'dies' in a camp war event is simply put in a coma and returned to town. And missing limbs still happen. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 12, 2020, 10:01 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 that would probably prevent any 'issues' I didn't see my dude was dead, or those freak face through brain, chest through heart or similar. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 12, 2020, 10:24 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 One other item that everyone should be aware of, especially new to PVP players who think this is a safety net to never lose a character. You take 4 RLs into a breached side, then decide to remove characters, you can still die. The instant removal of characters from the vehicle does not mean death will never happen. Its just a way to prevent it if you know when to surrender and before the melee of bullets head your way. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 12, 2020, 11:14 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Last item to clear up is when during the firing phase will your character be removed? Say after the end of turn 30, you decide to remove a character. When turn 31 begins, will they be removed then? After the character completes a firing command? Or after the completion of all firing commands for turn 31? This makes all the difference to insure a safe character removal from the event to a last second shot to a breach. I will bring this up because I know others will. If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 12, 2020, 11:52 pm Last edited May 12, 2020, 11:53 pm by *The X Man*

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 well, you'd think so. Not that they can fire and escape. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 13, 2020, 12:15 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *The X Man* said: If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? If you can fire that phase, you should be able to use psionics and vise versa. Whatever the decision is it should be fair like that. And I do see what your saying. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 13, 2020, 12:40 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *The X Man* said: Last item to clear up is when during the firing phase will your character be removed? Say after the end of turn 30, you decide to remove a character. When turn 31 begins, will they be removed then? After the character completes a firing command? Or after the completion of all firing commands for turn 31? This makes all the difference to insure a safe character removal from the event to a last second shot to a breach. I will bring this up because I know others will. If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? They get removed in the normal way, so it's at the end of the next turn. Apart from any gameplay decisions, the sequence for these things is very important to avoid server crashes (null pointers and such). ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 13, 2020, 6:09 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *sam* said: *The X Man* said: Last item to clear up is when during the firing phase will your character be removed? Say after the end of turn 30, you decide to remove a character. When turn 31 begins, will they be removed then? After the character completes a firing command? Or after the completion of all firing commands for turn 31? This makes all the difference to insure a safe character removal from the event to a last second shot to a breach. I will bring this up because I know others will. If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? They get removed in the normal way, so it's at the end of the next turn. Apart from any gameplay decisions, the sequence for these things is very important to avoid server crashes (null pointers and such). So this sounds as it will be as it is currently. But for the point I am making above, this is how it happens. At the completion of a turn, you set the firing orders for the upcoming turn. At this point, you can exit a character from a vehicle, target and pyro a vehicle, then select escape. When the firing phase starts, that character vanishes from the play field first before any weapons start firing. There are other players that feel making 3 separate firing order commands in just one actual turn is an issue. The other reason bringing this up is that new PVP players may not know this is how it works. That being said, I personally do not have an issue with this, but I do feel it is necessary that everyone is made aware of this going forward to avoid complaints. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted May 13, 2020, 8:33 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *The X Man* said: *sam* said: *The X Man* said: Last item to clear up is when during the firing phase will your character be removed? Say after the end of turn 30, you decide to remove a character. When turn 31 begins, will they be removed then? After the character completes a firing command? Or after the completion of all firing commands for turn 31? This makes all the difference to insure a safe character removal from the event to a last second shot to a breach. I will bring this up because I know others will. If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? They get removed in the normal way, so it's at the end of the next turn. Apart from any gameplay decisions, the sequence for these things is very important to avoid server crashes (null pointers and such). So this sounds as it will be as it is currently. But for the point I am making above, this is how it happens. At the completion of a turn, you set the firing orders for the upcoming turn. At this point, you can exit a character from a vehicle, target and pyro a vehicle, then select escape. When the firing phase starts, that character vanishes from the play field first before any weapons start firing. There are other players that feel making 3 separate firing order commands in just one actual turn is an issue. The other reason bringing this up is that new PVP players may not know this is how it works. That being said, I personally do not have an issue with this, but I do feel it is necessary that everyone is made aware of this going forward to avoid complaints. To play devils advocate on this, the way this is set up also helps the pyro opponent. In COE, when firing goes live, the pyro player has to use his skill before everyone actually fires, and the results are seen instantly. This allows the opponent that was pyroed upon, to switch from the weapon he was going to fire, man his car fire extinguisher, and put the fire out the same turn that the pyro started the fire. Change this up, and the cars actually will get to burn a full turn and the tears will roll from the community that their save all fire extinguishers are now broken.  ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 13, 2020, 10:07 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Longo* said: *The X Man* said: *sam* said: *The X Man* said: Last item to clear up is when during the firing phase will your character be removed? Say after the end of turn 30, you decide to remove a character. When turn 31 begins, will they be removed then? After the character completes a firing command? Or after the completion of all firing commands for turn 31? This makes all the difference to insure a safe character removal from the event to a last second shot to a breach. I will bring this up because I know others will. If psionics are allowed, they can be used anytime during the firing phase. Will selecting the immediate removal function cancel any last attempts to use psionics before the character is removed from the event? They get removed in the normal way, so it's at the end of the next turn. Apart from any gameplay decisions, the sequence for these things is very important to avoid server crashes (null pointers and such). So this sounds as it will be as it is currently. But for the point I am making above, this is how it happens. At the completion of a turn, you set the firing orders for the upcoming turn. At this point, you can exit a character from a vehicle, target and pyro a vehicle, then select escape. When the firing phase starts, that character vanishes from the play field first before any weapons start firing. There are other players that feel making 3 separate firing order commands in just one actual turn is an issue. The other reason bringing this up is that new PVP players may not know this is how it works. That being said, I personally do not have an issue with this, but I do feel it is necessary that everyone is made aware of this going forward to avoid complaints. To play devils advocate on this, the way this is set up also helps the pyro opponent. In COE, when firing goes live, the pyro player has to use his skill before everyone actually fires, and the results are seen instantly. This allows the opponent that was pyroed upon, to switch from the weapon he was going to fire, man his car fire extinguisher, and put the fire out the same turn that the pyro started the fire. Change this up, and the cars actually will get to burn a full turn and the tears will roll from the community that their save all fire extinguishers are now broken.  the bug that allowed to to swap weapons after fire orders had been set and fire a different weapon has not worked for me for ages. So as far as I can see this is not possible. I always assumed Sam had fixed it. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 13, 2020, 6:08 pm

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