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darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,036 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 maybe say after a certain distance hexwise you are from your camp an internal dispute pops up in the form of a old school defence based on how big you are could have multiple, and can keep a cr in reserve to help quash them. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,3 Posted Jun 11, 2020, 10:40 am

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,210 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 For some reason all I can see is Vyvyan with a cricket bat... "VIVA EL PRESIDENTE!" ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jun 12, 2020, 11:57 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 This was what I wanted to suggest with "Pirate camps/hotspots" showing up on the map. Instead of just losing tiles for the sake of it. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit31,18,0 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 1:19 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,784 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners? On that basis, just having a random/automatic loss of tiles seems better to me. A good way of doing this was suggested before (by goat, I think): the chance is higher for a tile which you haven't been deploying any CR to. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 2:34 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 *Rev. V* said: For some reason all I can see is Vyvyan with a cricket bat... "VIVA EL PRESIDENTE!" So who is Neil and who is Rick with a silent P? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 6:10 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,682 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 6:45 pm

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 Then maybe a new camp role is needed, one that can do the Camp Wars stuff. ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 6:53 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,784 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 7:23 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 7:57 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,784 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 8:51 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,682 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I do. Wait. There has been really alot thrown at us. Give a few more battles. And for those of you making suggestions and not involved, quit hugging each other and fight, then you might see what the rest of us are dealing with. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 8:59 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,784 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Longo* said: *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I do. Wait. There has been really alot thrown at us. Give a few more battles. And for those of you making suggestions and not involved, quit hugging each other and fight, then you might see what the rest of us are dealing with. I *think* Longo and goat both might have misunderstood my stance on this.  I was saying it would be a bad idea to add NPC defences on tiles. I'm absolutely not suggesting we add more housekeeping. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 9:02 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Start of each deployment, have a chance for "Bandit camps/hotspot" to show up on a few tiles around evan, maybe with a restriction so they cannot appear within 2-3 tiles of an active camp. Assign these hotspots/pirates a CR rating, if the CR rating is not deployed on the tile to police/destroy it you lose it at the start or end of the second week. Possibly make the hotspot/raid camp take additional tiles on subsequent week if not dealt with. If they are on a neutral tile it could serve as a CR roadblock. Note, I am not intending this to provoke a client combat (altough maybe that could be an option if someone chooses to?), merely deploying the required CR on the tile will automatically deal with it. If this doesn't make much sense I can try to reword it and try to explain better, but I think it would be a very thematic and good to deal with tile atrittion. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit31,18,0 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 9:02 pm Last edited Jun 12, 2020, 9:06 pm by FireFly

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,682 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I do. Wait. There has been really alot thrown at us. Give a few more battles. And for those of you making suggestions and not involved, quit hugging each other and fight, then you might see what the rest of us are dealing with. I *think* Longo and goat both might have misunderstood my stance on this.  I was saying it would be a bad idea to add NPC defences on tiles. I'm absolutely not suggesting we add more housekeeping. No, I understand Sam. Its just the community saying lets do this, lets do that, and all that stuff takes time. Some of these people saying lets make it so this or that happens, havent even been in a battle yet. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 9:05 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,210 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 When Madhat took his "I'm not dealing with anything related to camp stuff" hiatus, I ran his camp for months. (Only time I ever actually "owned" a camp) There was SERIOUS weight lifted off of my shoulders when he asked for it back. And this was back when I played all the time. I had stupid amounts of free time then. Now add all of the new stuff? Oh, I get where you are coming from Longo, yes sir, I do..... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jun 12, 2020, 9:22 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I completely understood your point and your commitment to reduce unnecessary time drains of camp wars / ownership. I simply think we should be doing more about reducing the time commitment... i would personally: - set limits on the number of occupied spaces a camp can move into - increase the minimum CR to take a tile so you cant spread out as quickly - increase CR degradation as you move away from camp (add a multipler to hex reduction that increases the further away from camp you are) - introduce a (controversial) auto lose if one camps CR is wildly outweighed by anothers (possibly only after a certain number of hexes from camp) - introduce a tile degradation that means tiles you own but fail to occupy turn neutral so you have to apply CR inside your area. all of those things will slow camp expansion, reduce the number of combats, stop pointless combats. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 12, 2020, 11:31 pm Last edited Jun 12, 2020, 11:38 pm by *goat starer*

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I completely understood your point and your commitment to reduce unnecessary time drains of camp wars / ownership. I simply think we should be doing more about reducing the time commitment... i would personally: - set limits on the number of occupied spaces a camp can move into - increase the minimum CR to take a tile so you cant spread out as quickly - increase CR degradation as you move away from camp (add a multipler to hex reduction that increases the further away from camp you are) - introduce a (controversial) auto lose if one camps CR is wildly outweighed by anothers (possibly only after a certain number of hexes from camp) - introduce a tile degradation that means tiles you own but fail to occupy turn neutral so you have to apply CR inside your area. all of those things will slow camp expansion, reduce the number of combats, stop pointless combats. Being honest... many of these things are good ideas.  I will not discuss on the forum the details.  Sam should add all these points to the next discord call. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,102,31 Posted Jun 13, 2020, 1:42 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,036 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 FireFly said: Start of each deployment, have a chance for "Bandit camps/hotspot" to show up on a few tiles around evan, maybe with a restriction so they cannot appear within 2-3 tiles of an active camp. Assign these hotspots/pirates a CR rating, if the CR rating is not deployed on the tile to police/destroy it you lose it at the start or end of the second week. Possibly make the hotspot/raid camp take additional tiles on subsequent week if not dealt with. If they are on a neutral tile it could serve as a CR roadblock. Note, I am not intending this to provoke a client combat (altough maybe that could be an option if someone chooses to?), merely deploying the required CR on the tile will automatically deal with it. If this doesn't make much sense I can try to reword it and try to explain better, but I think it would be a very thematic and good to deal with tile atrittion. maybe a camp owner who has one of these pop up in his territory can assign a player and let his squad do the fight, like a camp defence? give him a cr reseerve for this that maybe he didnt have to use on a deploy more cr fast on defence, so any deployable unused cr never gets burned up so you could save it for large battle down the road? or if a large stock of reserve deployable cr that wasnt used you could auto win by spending more reserve cr to crush riots cr than a player could deploy with? 2 to 1 ratio. could even make these mission relatable somehow, and player merc's could travel around evan crushing them out? or a allied faction player trucing them. and make it so you can do the opposite, take less tithe and reduce road costs for allied factions, and ssoon celebrations of people being happy break out lol ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,3 Posted Jun 13, 2020, 2:12 am Last edited Jun 13, 2020, 2:43 am by darthspanky

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 darthspanky said: FireFly said: Start of each deployment, have a chance for "Bandit camps/hotspot" to show up on a few tiles around evan, maybe with a restriction so they cannot appear within 2-3 tiles of an active camp. Assign these hotspots/pirates a CR rating, if the CR rating is not deployed on the tile to police/destroy it you lose it at the start or end of the second week. Possibly make the hotspot/raid camp take additional tiles on subsequent week if not dealt with. If they are on a neutral tile it could serve as a CR roadblock. Note, I am not intending this to provoke a client combat (altough maybe that could be an option if someone chooses to?), merely deploying the required CR on the tile will automatically deal with it. If this doesn't make much sense I can try to reword it and try to explain better, but I think it would be a very thematic and good to deal with tile atrittion. maybe a camp owner who has one of these pop up in his territory can assign a player and let his squad do the fight, like a camp defence? give him a cr reseerve for this that maybe he didnt have to use on a deploy more cr fast on defence, so any deployable unused cr never gets burned up so you could save it for large battle down the road? or if a large stock of reserve deployable cr that wasnt used you could auto win by spending more reserve cr to crush riots cr than a player could deploy with? 2 to 1 ratio. could even make these mission relatable somehow, and player merc's could travel around evan crushing them out? or a allied faction player trucing them. and make it so you can do the opposite, take less tithe and reduce road costs for allied factions, and ssoon celebrations of people being happy break out lol its very important they can be resolved by cr deployment alone. Last thing we need is more battles for open pvp camps. But it would surely have potential down the line for pve stuff as well, if such an idea gets a solid base. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit31,18,0 Posted Jun 13, 2020, 4:37 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Joel Autobaun said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Longo* said: *sam* said: The question is whether this adds extra "work" for the camp owners?  Its becoming overwhelming for me, and I am presently at home 24/7. Exactly. One of the ways we're trying to promote camp wars is by removing the "housekeeping" work of npc battles. It's not enough. I have a family and a job that is often having me work till 10pm. I'm home educating. I'm already woken up every few hours at night by a baby. Add to that all the potential combats and it is quickly spiraling out of control. Do you have suggestions? I completely understood your point and your commitment to reduce unnecessary time drains of camp wars / ownership. I simply think we should be doing more about reducing the time commitment... i would personally: - set limits on the number of occupied spaces a camp can move into - increase the minimum CR to take a tile so you cant spread out as quickly - increase CR degradation as you move away from camp (add a multipler to hex reduction that increases the further away from camp you are) - introduce a (controversial) auto lose if one camps CR is wildly outweighed by anothers (possibly only after a certain number of hexes from camp) - introduce a tile degradation that means tiles you own but fail to occupy turn neutral so you have to apply CR inside your area. all of those things will slow camp expansion, reduce the number of combats, stop pointless combats. Being honest... many of these things are good ideas.  I will not discuss on the forum the details.  Sam should add all these points to the next discord call. thanks joel... lets talk about these in a proper call. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 13, 2020, 10:30 pm

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