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I totally see what people mean when they complain about this game.

*Joskney* El Nubnubs Racer Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 207 Joined: Sep 11, 2014 *Ninesticks* said: Games have changed in line with the players changing. This is nothing new but has to be accepted. When BTech was being designed they wanted a battle to be over in a certain time as they were very much aware that long battles are not really in sync with what most gamers want. In fact, BTech was 'dumbed down' quite a bit to ensure greater market appeal. Thank goodness they deliberately made it mod friendly. DW while still alive has had its day, it is still good fun doing PvE (and PvP) either solo or more so with friends but has too much wrong with it to fix - and very little reason to to be fair. +1 ......................... vet wv paintball northernsummer race1 pvp5 pvp4 ww sssc semiprocombat gwped deathrceL1 raceL1 marshal circuit1 gwextrav combatL1 paintladder3,12,2 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 1:26 am

Groovelle Criminal Underworld Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 758 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 Your attention for two seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1J9PUcMQ0&t=6s Thank you. Dark-Wind is structurally perfect. It has great bones, and when you're 80 feet in the air watching your tiny car get roasted by a flamethrower and flipped by rockets, it actually looks great - so most of the time. The reason Dark-Wind doesn't have players? Go to a computer that hasn't ever played Dark-Wind (so the algorithm doesn't feed you it off the bat) and try to find it without using the phrase 'car wars online' or, for extra credit, without 'turn based car combat game' too. Before the steam launch, "Darkwind" by itself would bring up a MUD before Dark-Wind.com. We're hard to find. Most things with online are webpage games, anything with apocalypse is GTA or CrossOut. 'Car apocalypse online' - returns GTA; 'suped up cars fighting' - not there; 'build a car and fight it' -RoboCraft, Crossout. How can people say we're niche when only people with the right syntax can find us? ......................... vet wv0,2,0 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 2:06 am Last edited Aug 11, 2021, 2:12 am by Groovelle

*Joskney* El Nubnubs Racer Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 207 Joined: Sep 11, 2014 *Joskney* said: PvP here holds no interest to me at all, in general because of the player base... Listen to you all prattling on like old hens over old pain, hatred and things that even "I" wasn't around for.  As for new players that were not old CW players, I know of around a dozen of my kids + friends (girls and boys) that played here and were chased off by the lobby, the politics, the grind, the sexism etc.  AND not just by one bad group or another... it is passive aggressive version of toxic and unfriendly.  WE are the crazies in the back of the game store mumbling to ourselves.  You all sound like a bunch of old die hard WYSIWYG Warhammer players not letting a proxie unit for a new player to try out.  SO the main question is exactly this, if the server went to the racetrack in the sky and had to be reset.... would you GRIND it out like a newbie?  Would this game be for you without what you have already?  Would you rebuild the farm after the tornado? DW2 looks like it is approaching and then everyone will get to play alone or with the few they invite.  ANY sense of community will be gone. ......................... vet wv paintball northernsummer race1 pvp5 pvp4 ww sssc semiprocombat gwped deathrceL1 raceL1 marshal circuit1 gwextrav combatL1 paintladder3,12,2 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 2:23 am

Dropdeadfred Main Street Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 59 Joined: Dec 15, 2015 *Longo* said: It’s ironic that Iron and Fred have had alot of comments lately in the forums. I looked and neither are subbed and neither have played ANY events in the past 30 days. But they have a ton of input on what’s been going on in the game. Let’s listen to them. Is it though?  How many times have I subbed in the past, hmm?  Can you track that?  How many times have I subbed for a full year, hmm?  Can you track that?  How many times have I purchased Chrome?  Can you track that? Can you track how many other players I've brought into the game that have also subbed, with more than one of them subbing for a year?  Or how many times those people have purchased Chrome? I didn't realize that having some kind of input was gatekept by currently spending $$.  Oh wait, it isn't. ......................... vet wv ped1 paintball0,1,0 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 6:25 am

1iTim Tuskan Raiders Sunday Driver Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Oct 13, 2020 Hi all, just a few thoughts from the past year i've been playing, positives and negatives. Early on i had great help from vets, and formed actual friendships. they were the reason i've subscribed. However, after completing the TAC missions, i played a few races and scouted. and died. so i hired more gangas and played on, cause, you know, cars with guns! then i scouted with others, and felt useless because my gangers could not hit anything, and could not stay with the vets as my gangers couldnt hit things. Now my gang is more mature, with quite a few now capped, and can play a variety of styles. I was even helped to win a laser in a league, just by other players joining in - nice one. One balance issue is that early on i would get returns that were usually devastating, but now when i can cope with them i dont get them so often (not at all in ss). So a suggestion of no returns for non-vets in ss would be great. more TAC solo missions would be beneficial too - surely those would not be too hard to set up. With less time to play now (life and all that) i'm now struggling to do enough scouts to keep morale up. I have a few more months in the sub i last bought but am pulling back north and wont be renewing the subscription as i just don't see the value in it. I'll still have some fun scouting with u guys from time to time. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 semiprocombat pvp5 paintladder paintball pvp4 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 6:49 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 The main value in subscribing, especially for new players, is weekly training for all characters (a must to help grow your guys), unlimited vehicles (a must to keep your garages full and items to sell to pay for your weekly upkeeps), the ability to travel anywhere outside the northern triangle (a must to gain better training in towns and better loot from scouting). Bonus, the chrome your receive for your sub. That comes in handy for lots of things. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 7:46 am Last edited Aug 11, 2021, 7:52 am by *The X Man*

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Longo: Like many people I love the game. However it (and the community) frequently pisses me off and I lay off for a while. Like an abusive relationship, after a few months I remember only the good things (and the time I have invested in it) and miss it and come back again until the next time. It doesn't mean I haven't played it to death in those periods when I have been subbed, or that I don't know how the community works, or not have a valid opinion on the structural and economic dynamic. I have a job and a family. I can't dedicate several hours to one activity at a time at someone else's convenience. I also can't be bothered playing games with (or against) people I don't like. When I was last subbed there were few players in my time zone that I liked enough to spend an hour scouting with. I sent time with some players who I didn't recognise. It took about five times longer to scout that when I solo so I only got one scout in per evening, I enjoyed it, but overall I made a loss on the venture, and progression was not as efficient as soloing. I few of those new players lasted a month, and with the exception of Tusken Raiders I don't see them on the forums (and now I see they are pulling back). Frankly I was disappointed the DW never went the single player route. It would suit my play far better, but I take what I can get. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 7:55 am Last edited Aug 11, 2021, 8:00 am by Iron Wraith

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Iron Wraith said: Longo: Like many people I love the game.  However it (and the community) frequently pisses me off and I lay off for a while.  Like an abusive relationship, after a few months I remember only the good things (and the time I have invested in it) and miss it and come back again until the next time. It doesn't mean I haven't played it to death in those periods when I have been subbed, or that I don't know how the community works, or not have a valid opinion on the structural and economic dynamic. I have a job and a family.  I can't dedicate several hours to one activity at a time at someone else's convenience.  I also can't be bothered playing games with (or against) people I don't like.  When I was last subbed there were few players in my time zone that I liked enough to spend an hour scouting with.  I sent time with some players who I didn't recognise.  It took about five times longer to scout that when I solo so I only got one scout in per evening, I enjoyed it, but overall I made a loss on the venture, and progression was not as efficient as soloing.  I few of those new players lasted a month, and with the exception of Tusken Raiders I don't see them on the forums (and now I see they are pulling back). Frankly I was disappointed the DW never went the single player route.  It would suit my play far better, but I take what I can get. Great response, totally get this! ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Aug 11, 2021, 2:35 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 As a marshal, I'd very much like to thank everyone for keeping this civil. Seriously. Thank you. ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Aug 12, 2021, 3:04 am

1iTim Tuskan Raiders Sunday Driver Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Oct 13, 2020 OK i just saw the early video of DW V2. maybe i'd pay for that... ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 semiprocombat pvp5 paintladder paintball pvp4 Posted Aug 14, 2021, 1:54 am

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