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*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 OK, here's the facts, using Alcohol as our example (it's the most addictive of the lot, equal with Zerk): 1) I changed the rehab code substantially, 2 weeks ago, Oct 31st. So please stop using examples from earlier than that, they're not valid. 2) On average, an alcohol user will get worse by 0.333 "addiction points" every week. 3) On average, an alcohol user in rehab will get better by 3.333 "addiction points" every week. 4) On average, an alcohol user, whether in rehab or not, will also get better by 0.333 "addiction points" each week. It actually looks to me like I have already over-compensated and that the worst drugs (alcohol and zerk) will on average stay static without any rehab, whereas on average other lesser drugs will not build into a serious addiction at all. Can we revisit this in a few weeks? Focusing on those characters that have gotten worse in the last 2 weeks, while ignoring those that have gotten better, is statistically invalid. If you think things are still wrong in a few weeks time, I'll analyse the database backup from Oct 31st with the most recent one, and see exactly what has happened to existing addictions. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 14, 2008, 12:12 pm Last edited Nov 14, 2008, 12:53 pm by *sam*

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Ok, we can do that. But my guys have gotten worse after your fix. Sergeant Stephen Longo from Zerk user to a heavy user Michael Convoy Hewitt from a light Zerk user to a normal user Jesse Harrell did drop from a normal alcohol user to a light one. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Nov 14, 2008, 2:07 pm Last edited Nov 14, 2008, 2:20 pm by Longo

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i also had a guy get worse after the fix went from a user to a hv addict again, beverly did go to a lt user, but my point was that my only hv addict was richard when i originally stuck em in rehab. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Nov 14, 2008, 6:52 pm

Victor New Cal Rangers Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: Jan 10, 2008 My addicts were in the clinic over the past two weeks. I really think it's adding where it should be subtracting, or vice versa. ......................... vet wv Posted Nov 14, 2008, 11:42 pm

lordbam Nephilim Rising Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,410 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 same problem... my guy got worse again. sorry sam ......................... vet wv zom0,3,0 Posted Nov 15, 2008, 5:53 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 What I'll do is run a number of weeks' worth of updates on the First Bank of Somerset characters, and see how it looks. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 15, 2008, 3:14 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 ill volenteer for that as well lol ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Nov 16, 2008, 7:58 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Sergeant Stephen Longo just moved from Heavy user to Very Heavy Addict.... ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Nov 18, 2008, 7:30 pm Last edited Nov 18, 2008, 7:31 pm by Longo

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 I've recently, for the last 3-4 weeks, been getting free recruits w/ addictions, alcohol users, once heavy user... might be related ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Nov 18, 2008, 10:06 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Guys... I found what was very likely the source of our disagreement... so sorry! Basically, addictions are stored as "unsigned integers"... meaning they are incapable of recording negative numbers and when you try to subtract too much from them they become enormous positive numbers. So there were a lot of outrageously addicted characters who should really have been 'ex users'. I have identified the affected characters and fixed them (you had 3 characters in that category, darth). D'oh. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 11:22 am Last edited Nov 19, 2008, 11:23 am by *sam*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Here's the top 10 junkie gangs, BTW: Initial Drift Advanced Race Labs Edgerunners ADVANCED RADICAL LUNATICS Advanced Research Labs Order of the Marxbruders Midnight Marauders River Bandits Deaths Angels Burnt Tree Security This might make a good auto-generated Gazette article... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 11:37 am Last edited Nov 19, 2008, 11:39 am by *sam*

lordbam Nephilim Rising Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,410 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Did you undo all addicts or have they healed by themself? mine suddenly got ex user written all over them :-) ......................... vet wv zom0,3,0 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 1:00 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I fixed all the ones who had massive addictions that can only have been caused by the bug (and who therefore should have been ex-users). Sorry again for the hassle... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 1:06 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Thanks for taking care of this Sam ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 3:39 pm

lordbam Nephilim Rising Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,410 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 thx sam... atleast now i know that those 4 months detox (in real time) weren't for nothing :-) ......................... vet wv zom0,3,0 Posted Nov 19, 2008, 7:19 pm

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