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plz fix "broken" vehicle designs

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 there are a few vehicle designs that just don't do what they are supposed to. some of these have been around for many months. 1) the pickup with the front mounted paint spray that paints itself. mutant mulcher? rancher? something like that. it has a ram. 2) the constrictor for rent for scouting missions. despite the fact that it can only be rented to scout it has no scouting use since it has only one seat. if the rear mg was removed it would at least be able to loot. as it is, we just have to tell newbies not to rent it cuz it's broken. anyone have any more to add? these are the only 2 bad enough to bring up that i know of but i am not as well-travelled as some of you others. thanks in advance! ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Apr 8, 2009, 12:44 am

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Well, with the constrictor to rent i have to agree. Not a very represenatvie scoutcar... ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Apr 8, 2009, 12:53 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 The Racoon. If you can count to ten, you can reduce this one to flaming scrap... A CGL with no reloads? Add that to the fact it charges straight into the fight like it had rams! ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Apr 8, 2009, 1:46 am

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Groove Champion said: Add that to the fact it charges straight into the fight like it had rams! It has to in order to get to a range where the CGL is 'useful' (I use the term loosely).  ......................... vet wv community Posted Apr 8, 2009, 3:00 am

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Not sure if there is an issue with the AI and rams, maybe map based, I don't know for sure. I have had ram-equipped AI cars swerve away from a contact with me on normal maps, whereas if you meet a head-on car during an ambush on a Firelight road chances are you will get rammed by any AI car (lost a few cars to this phenomenon). ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Apr 8, 2009, 6:32 am

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 ok, related question which some of you have already been asking: weapons the NPCs cant figure out how to use. front paint spray for example. here's one: paint guns. the NPCs will shoot at targets over 100m even though paint cannot hit at that range (due to hard 100m paint range limit). they should at least do a simple range check before firing. ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Apr 8, 2009, 7:55 pm

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 BUMP. Mutant Mulcher still spotted in SS paint-spraying itself. Also vamp scout rental issue... ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Jul 1, 2009, 8:06 pm Last edited Jul 1, 2009, 8:06 pm by 4saken

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 Trader Van- remove the mine dropper and replace with an mg (or give it two mmg rear), it rarely fires the dropper. I'd remove the FoJ from the Cacophony for the same reason, and replace it with a second car rifle. Van could also use B class armor to maybe help it run better. Trade Runner- downgrade the dual hmg to dual mmg, the car can't handle firing weapons with that amount of recoil. It is often turning to evade the pursuit cars and the dual hmg simply make its ass bounce too much to stay targetted. Seconded on the Mulcher and Vamp rental. ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Jul 1, 2009, 8:39 pm

Jaguar Smoke Jaguars Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: May 6, 2009 Dr Mathias said: Trader Van- remove the mine dropper and replace with an mg (or give it two mmg rear), it rarely fires the dropper. I'd remove the FoJ from the Cacophony for the same reason, and replace it with a second car rifle. Van could also use B class armor to maybe help it run better. Trade Runner- downgrade the dual hmg to dual mmg, the car can't handle firing weapons with that amount of recoil. It is often turning to evade the pursuit cars and the dual hmg simply make its ass bounce too much to stay targetted. Seconded on the Mulcher and Vamp rental. Or when it does drop mines (or for that matter, spikes), it does so -very- poorly. It seems to treat them more like oil jets. ......................... vet Posted Jul 1, 2009, 9:31 pm

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Dr Mathias said: Trader Van- remove the mine dropper and replace with an mg (or give it two mmg rear), it rarely fires the dropper. I'd remove the FoJ from the Cacophony for the same reason, and replace it with a second car rifle. Van could also use B class armor to maybe help it run better. Trade Runner- downgrade the dual hmg to dual mmg, the car can't handle firing weapons with that amount of recoil. It is often turning to evade the pursuit cars and the dual hmg simply make its ass bounce too much to stay targetted. Seconded on the Mulcher and Vamp rental. Trader issues and vehicles have recently been brought up in the ROC forum Doc, so when Sam gets back from his vaca I'm sure this will be discussed further. Sam will have a huge pile of stuff to digest when he gets back, so we'll have to be patient with this one.  ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,201,123 Posted Jul 2, 2009, 12:05 am

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 Speaking of mines I have never seen NPCs use dropped weapons. Does the AI know even how to use them? ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Jul 2, 2009, 1:25 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 4saken said: Speaking of mines I have never seen NPCs use dropped weapons. Does the AI know even how to use them? well it knows how to use them in deathraces and makes some kind of decision about firing primary armamant or dropped. I suspect that whatever the decision making code is it is simply very unlikely that fiting the dropped weapons comes up as a preferred option.... might need a tweak. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 2, 2009, 1:30 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Great Topic. The Mutant Mulcher makes me laugh. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,103,31 Posted Jul 2, 2009, 2:29 am

Jaguar Smoke Jaguars Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: May 6, 2009 4saken said: Speaking of mines I have never seen NPCs use dropped weapons. Does the AI know even how to use them? Yes and no. It tends to prefer primary weapons first. Also, it will also only drop weapons if there's something fairly close behind it - it won't drop things if there's nothing around. ......................... vet Posted Jul 2, 2009, 4:58 am

Whiskey Whiskey Runners Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: Sep 19, 2008 The constrictor for rent has some justification in my opinion. It lets a newbie learn about muscle cars. I have taken a newbie in a constrictor and driven a vehicle back for them. The other possibility is they get a loot car that is worth more than their deposit so they can abandon the constrictor (in which case I'll take it back to town for the deposit.) ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 3, 2009, 12:33 am

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,615 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 I agree - it can give a taste of speed. Scouting is not just about the loot, but about the experience. Compare the speed to that of the Moose with 2.5 or pickup with a 2L... Perhaps a Flash with a Car Rifle for true speed, but at the cost of armor? JL ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jul 3, 2009, 12:39 am

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 My simple fix for the vamp was to simply remove the rear MG so it could have a gunner/loot driver. ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Jul 4, 2009, 2:22 am

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