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Questions a nOOb might ask.

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Marrkos said: *Grograt* said: this is the only outlet that gives information on patches and game changes. Patch Info And off course in the wiki ( where i didnt know it was placed :P) ill add it to links ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Oct 1, 2009, 9:56 am

Fealty Lost Slaughterhouse: Bloody Remains Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,258 Joined: Jan 6, 2009 Asm'...if you're looking for the 'nuts and bolts' you're not going to get them. Sam has said he purposely doesn't let people know how the game world works, it's up to you to figure it out. So...I think, as YOU figure things out, you should compare your notes with the Wiki and then add what you think a new player would be interested in. Since Sam doesn't want us to know the mechanics...all we really have are strategies on HOW to succeed in the game. As to WHY someone would want to check DW out, most probably it's because of a past history of table-top gaming, to include Car Wars and some of the computer games which pay homage to apocalyptic-based environments with lots of weapons-toting vehicles. We don't know if it's a d100...or whatever. All we have are our experiences and TACTICS. Either you are interested in a game like this one, or you are not. Like all businesses, it's word of mouth that gets the most potential interest. And remember, this isn't a full-time job for Sam...yet. This game is still very much in flux and Sam strives to improve it when he can and how he can. With that being said... ...as a new player, dropped weapons are you best friend. When you start to solo scout, make sure you have TONS of spike droppers and/or FOJ's. They not only damage the enemy and hinder their ability to chase you and climb after you, but they also give you time to figure out where and how to set up and do it before the enemy is upon you. I hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 1, 2009, 5:41 pm

Asmoday Rex Lesser Demons Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Damon, I'm not talking about the "behind the scenes" details - not the algorithms used for this or for that. Know those things could lead to unfair advantages, of course. What I mean is... as I've said before... every good technical writer knows that you have to start by assuming your customer knows nothing. What's a marauder? I know, but so many newbies may not. And a nice little piece of world flavor it is, it would be wise to have some material about it. As for the abilities and skills??? Yes, as with every game you see on bookshelves, this must be explained and explainable - otherwise is might seem like trivia. But since it does appear somewhat to have an effect on game play, it obviously isn't trivia. And withholding this information is insulting to those you would ask to pay for additional privileges. You know...come to mention "every game you see on bookshelves," have you ever noticed that the ones that have stuck around for decades always seem to start with "what is a role-playing game?" See what I mean? If this is a private club, like my Saturday evening d20 sessions are, then leave things as they and stay out of the trade magazines. But if this is a place that desires growth and money - then give the customer what they need and want. That means instructions that make sense and enhance the game play. Otherwise, me... I'm perfectly happy. I love this game. Unfortunately for me though, my sense of role-play requires audience participation and I'm not very keen on writing narrative fictions. Maybe when I explore camps I'll be convinced that the army of gangers I'm growing actually can show some personality. ......................... vet Posted Oct 1, 2009, 9:28 pm

Fealty Lost Slaughterhouse: Bloody Remains Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,258 Joined: Jan 6, 2009 Asm'...ya, I'm there with you, but again, remember, this isn't a full-time gig for Professor Sam. Unfortunately, I wasn't around for the launch of the game or, as you can see, I have no problem putting words to paper and would have been more than happy to have given players a comprehensive play manual that explained the world of DW fully...including comprehensive skill listings, vehicle capability listings, etc., like those games we all know and love (and actually had a hand in contributing to for some of us). This is a bit of a niche game...unfortunately. However, with all the great software that's now out there, I'd love to see some of it (like from the game I'm helping develope right now) incorporated into DW...espescially when it comes to gangers and 'out of vehicle' interaction. Of course, then you get into the money thing...licensing software isn't cheap...as I found out when I opened my computer education and entertainmenet facility (argh). Not a few of us have let Sam know that our skills with the written word are available, however, without disclosure, we don't know what to write about...and Catch 22. We'd all love to see the game grow, but in the end, it's Sam's Baby. We exist at his liesure. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 2, 2009, 5:21 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Lads remember as stated before, a lot of information is to be learnt, thats the beauty of DW not everything is to hand at the turn of a page, your lucky you can look in the wiki and see what a marauder is sporting... breaking down everything to numbers and results would kill some of the beauty, that is the mystery of the game, granted the mechanics need more information but there is nothing stopping anybody adding to or updating the wiki, in fact marrkos insists ..... yes the game is developed , debugged , updated, kept in check by one man... considering he does everything, with the help of an odd few for graphics, he does a blinding job, most wouldn't bother after this amount of time... the game is very player driven, as you no doubt have noticed via the forum, no other game i have played has this amount of player input, and a developer that listens, replies and plays. Asmoday i understand your frustrations at not having a plainly written set of guides and instructions.... but this is in the works as we speak, just recently sam advised us that he was preparing a more detailed guide, but off course im sure our other requests have taken precedence as always ( we are a demanding lot ) ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Oct 2, 2009, 6:39 pm Last edited Oct 2, 2009, 6:41 pm by *Grograt*

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 *Grograt* said: ...but off course im sure our other requests have taken precedence as always ( we are a demanding lot ) That is the understatement of the century! Sure a more detailed guide would be nice, but nothing will teach you more than experience. At least players can do almost anything in the game without subbing to find out if this game is for them or not before plunking down their cash. I've bought more than a few games from the store (at $50+ each) only to play them for an hour or two and wishing I could get my money back. Asm', your request is valid but there just isn't a way to sum up this game in a 2 or 100 page manual that can be read and understand the intricacies of the game. Unfortunately the game does have a niche audience due to it be turned based, most “kids” now a days want a faster paced game. I don’t know the numbers but I bet there have been a ton of players who have started Driving School and don’t even finish the race before deciding the game is “too slow for their tastes. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 2, 2009, 7:06 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Heh that's funny, I didn't finish the driving school race before unconditional love was in effect and I immediately jumped into a real race with my 1st character. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 2, 2009, 7:28 pm

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 I have been here before, during and after Beta........ A LONG time! Granted, I wasn't here for the inception of DW, but long enough to have a good grasp of the game, albeit a tenuous grip! When Marrkos added the Wiki, the information that FLOODED the pages there was incredible. In a short time, it fully surpassed the "on-site" players manual and has kept growing since! While the on-site manual can be changed by the developer only, the Wiki is FULLY player driven and CAN be added to by anyone. In fact, as others have mentioned, Sam keeps some of the coding secret for the sole purpose that we players must play and experience the game to find out the answers to our questions. The additions we players have made to the Wiki actually answer some of those 'hidden' code questions in detail, whether the person adding it realized it or not! Quote: As for the abilities and skills??? Yes, as with every game you see on bookshelves, this must be explained and explainable - otherwise is might seem like trivia. But since it does appear somewhat to have an effect on game play, it obviously isn't trivia. And withholding this information is insulting to those you would ask to pay for additional privileges. While I don't agree with this statement that it's insulting to prospective subscribers, I can understand your point that most games have detailed explanations of in game characters, skills, hit points, etc. Darkwind, as you have noticed, can not be put in ANY general category that 'most games' can be! It has a genre, player base and game mechanics that are singular from any game out there. It has a very steep learning curve. Most games take you by the hand and guide you from noob through continuous levels up to a point where you can defeat ANYTHING or anyone in the game. All players of DW, from noob to the hard-core veteran, plays the game on the same playing field or arena as more or less equals. (Obviously depending on the skills of his in-game ganger.) BUT!.... If, hypothetically, the new player were given skilled members like a veteran has, the only difference would be the skill of the experienced player over the new player. Hence, The experience the PLAYER gains while playing the game is just as important as the ganger skills gained. To bring this long-winded and wavering post to a close: If you find the on-site player guide lacking, it is for a reason. If you find the Wiki lacking info you think would help a new player, by all means add the pertinent information as a guide yourself. You may have noticed there are at least 3 "New player" guides already there. As I said, the Wiki has MUCH more info in it than the site manual and as a player driven information page can and does contain information that Sam kept hidden from players purposefully. offthesoapboxJD ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Oct 2, 2009, 11:19 pm

Asmoday Rex Lesser Demons Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Again - you all seem to miss the point of this thread and this newbie forum. I'm not talking about in-game skills & experience - but how to operate the computer (to speak it plainly for you). This is the first thing your potential new recruit will want in order to feel confident about exploring the possibilities. What button does what? Trust me, you may think it is simple enough for you to understand - but a new arrival to this game/place will find many confusing twists and this alone is discouraging to the goal of "encouraging a larger player base." If you are defending something against my humble suggestion that a direct, concise, and user friendly manual of instructions be available (which has nothing to do with "the code" of the game or the math behind the wheels), I beg you to ask yourself what are you defending and why. ......................... vet Posted Oct 3, 2009, 1:05 am

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 OK......... Hows this: Gameplay input reference Gameplay Keyboard Reference Gameplay chat commands ALL these came from the DW Wiki. We are only responding to your questions AMD.... Defending nothing. we need to defend nothing against you humble suggestion....... Some of us may have read it wrong or misunderstood what you wanted to explain in more concise words. Are the links I posted above what you are looking for? If they are, I would suggest that you READ the Wiki closer and USE the green word prompts to search for a page that might have something to do with what your question is instead of implying that we are hiding something from the membership or defending anything! Your "Questions a Noob might ask" is a good topic..... We are only replying and responding to what we personally perceive as a question from you.... Granted I DO get a bit long winded at times. ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Oct 3, 2009, 1:41 am Last edited Oct 3, 2009, 1:46 am by *JD_Basher*

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Again The Wiki is your source of instructive information, not concise, but that is why this section of the forum was added, after your suggestion. I already added a link thread to this section of the forum... Asmoday if you have questions ask them. We have agreed with you, directed you and expressed our opinions. can we just put a line under this, as it feels like an argument for no apparent reason ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Oct 3, 2009, 10:52 am Last edited Oct 3, 2009, 11:08 am by *Grograt*

Asmoday Rex Lesser Demons Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Yes ......................... vet Posted Oct 3, 2009, 12:05 pm

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