d0dger Posted Apr 25, 2011, 10:40 pm	You are somewhat cordially invited to attend the completely informal ‘Happy Hour’ events this weekend in the wastes surrounding the Badlands Truckstop during the hours of 16:00-17:00 and 22:00-23:00 server time, on Saturday and Sunday. THE POINT: Consensual no holds barred Open PVP fun for those that might enjoy a greater tactical challenge then the NPC AI offers and/or wish to endorse and support this mode of play to *sam*, the rules council, and the community. THE PRIZES: You get what you loot and you get to brag about it. You also get to help generate actual PVP in this game to show *sam*, the rules council, and the community what works and doesn’t, what’s fair or not, and how our community handles PVP, potential griefing, etc. etc. etc. through deed instead of word, however bad it may hurt. THE RULES: Just the natural laws of Evan. SUGGESTIONS: Roll out a squad with your buds looking for random PVP. Roll a mix of low, mid, and high CR vehicles.  Enable CR balancing on your squad. Discuss terms for the possibility or lack thereof to surrender individual vehicles with your opponent at the outset of the conflict. Fly your camp flags and see if you can get your camp some bonus fame. Kick ass and take names, and share the fight event ID with the rest of us in the PVP forum afterwards.     You say you support open random PVP in Evan? Put your money where your mouth is. See you at Happy Hour.
Jeelz Posted Apr 25, 2011, 10:46 pm	Cool idea. Hope it catches and spreads to further times.
Joel Autobaun Posted Apr 25, 2011, 11:29 pm	I'm ya Huckleberry.
d0dger Posted Apr 25, 2011, 11:46 pm	Jeelz said: Cool idea. Hope it catches and spreads to further times. Just tried to pick some that looked good for west and east coast USA as well as server time. Feel free to start your own, or make some suggestions and if there's a group of interested people for other times I'll edit my OP and try some others.
Checkers Posted Apr 26, 2011, 12:31 am	Been doing it. Remember our fun little PVP?
d0dger Posted Apr 26, 2011, 12:58 am	Checkers said: Been doing it. Remember our fun little PVP? yeah but you weren't looking for it!
Checkers Posted Apr 26, 2011, 1:02 am	I don't care. 1) I didn't bounty out when it happened 2) I enjoyed it 3) It proves that PVP does happen
d0dger Posted Apr 26, 2011, 1:54 am	Checkers said: I don't care. 1) I didn't bounty out when it happened 2) I enjoyed it 3) It proves that PVP does happen was fun for sure. kudos to you for having your flag on and not being a punk with the bounty.
Jeelz Posted Apr 26, 2011, 4:54 am	I'm somewhat on the dark side of the moon over here, but if people in my timezone are looking for a bit of consensual PvP action IM me.
*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Apr 26, 2011, 9:43 am	[satire] why would i want consensual PVP, i am a Vet and i want to Gank ( ? ) ya alls [/satire] Nice idea, hope it catches on
Serephe Posted Apr 26, 2011, 9:52 am	3 months of trying to hit people without success was enough for me.
*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Apr 26, 2011, 9:55 am	0MG there goes the neighborhood.
d0dger Posted Apr 30, 2011, 5:07 pm	Session 1 report: After trolling for PVP for 35 minutes, finally landed an encounter. It was with an unarmed voyager courier and CR balancing let my muscle car squeak in. I was prepared to let the car just run away until my opponent opened the event with insults and obscenities, so decided to give chase. After running for a bit and taking a few hits my opponent realized he couldn't outrun my Buccaneer on the roads so went offroad into hills where his voyager climbs and turns better and managed to get away. S346420 Pretty disappointing results for the first happy hour, but it is what it is.
JS Posted Apr 30, 2011, 6:05 pm	Hopefully you get more takers in the next session. Some things just take time to catch on. Edit- Just watched the replay. Hopefully you get more players that want to PvP, and who do not resort to over the line language. Were this my game, I'd ban that gent immediately.
Fealty Lost Posted Apr 30, 2011, 9:39 pm	JS: In keeping with WASTELAND ROLEPLAY, I responded as some poor sap being chased down by an ARMED interceptor would. Try and trick there was, including PSYCHING the other driver out. Every comment I made was in RP aimed at an IN GAME bad guy. Sorry your widdle feewings was hurt. The only reason he caught me was because I blew a turn. Otherwise, I'd have been long gone. IN GAME, I know that the car that was chasing me is what some consider 'rare' or a vehicle they want to keep. Going off-road was the best way to get him off my tail, because I knew HIS GANGER (and his IRL owner) wasn't going to risk screwing up his pretty toy. And guess what. Strategy worked. I don't truce. But I also didn't have any weapons. I won, most spectacularly (even though the game awarded him the win because he did damage) and had fun. Ya I talked smack: IN GAME. So, oh, wait, this ain't in game anymore so I can't say it. Besides, I like you. dodger: I really wasn't expecting PvP. Forgot about the Happy Hour thingie. But I also wasn't going to NOT give you something. I ain't wired that way. I do hope that the references to Mezcal's and all the rest made you realize it was RP: but your silence said maybe not, so I laid off a bit. Too bad, 'cause I had some real gems to lay on ya!! Was fun. Now bring 3300 CR to GW and we'll play.
JS Posted Apr 30, 2011, 9:50 pm	Fealty, I liked your role playing story. I think talking smack is great, RPing the whole thing is excellent. Don't worry yourself as my "widdle feewings" weren't hurt. I considered that you were role playing, but Dodger actually mentioned the language, and so it was time to back off on the explicit words and respect the fact that others may not want to hear it, RP or not. Go ahead and taunt, but I found some of the things you said to be over the top. I understand many do not, but I won't sit by and not comment. I think its poor form to start off with that kind of language when you have no idea how old/who it is you are talking to. If its an old friend you have gamed with here for a long time, then have at it, if you know they are ok with it. If its a largely unknown person, I suggest we all chill just a bit. I've seen several examples now of PvP getting heated enough that the explicit language and cursing has flowed freely. Interestingly the excuse afterward is always "roleplaying". However, anyone can tell by watching these several replays that it was anything but during the time. I will retract my "ban" BS comment, I am not immune to getting ticked off myself. Apologies to you for throwing that out there, I've commented against others doing that myself.
d0dger Posted Apr 30, 2011, 9:52 pm	Fealty Lost said: IN GAME, I know that the car that was chasing me is what some consider 'rare' or a vehicle they want to keep. Going off-road was the best way to get him off my tail, because I knew HIS GANGER (and his IRL owner) wasn't going to risk screwing up his pretty toy. Actually it was just a car I looted there with a ped rifle from an unarmed voyager just like yours. Wasn't worried about a pretty toy, that car and/or my lack of familiarity with it in those hills just didn't work out for me Fealty Lost said: Was fun. Now bring 3300 CR to GW and we'll play. Name the time and date.
Fealty Lost Posted Apr 30, 2011, 10:14 pm	I can see where you might have concerns. We talked briefly OOC but when the 'game' started, I started. I don't remember saying anything particularly nasty, but no offense on a personal level was meant. If it was so misconstrued, I apologize. I did blow it though. The reference to in-game mother, .50 and Mez's. Forgot I was scouting out of BadLands. Should have said the grainy place. Would have been less adult if, like 'savage was in there. Was still fun. Really thought I was dead meat there for a sec'.
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 12:15 am	Session 2 report:
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 1:22 am	Kept it up for a while after session 2 officially ended, had a nice little dustup with Burden. It has rockets and lots of fast cars and even a dancing BPU! S346593
*Burden* Posted May 1, 2011, 1:57 am	Also, car cannons It was a very good fight though. I had lots of fun.
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 2:55 am	*Burden* said: Also, car cannons It was a very good fight though. I had lots of fun. only one car cannon.
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 6:26 pm	Session 3 report: 36 minutes into Happy Hour I got a hit, PVP flagged opponent. I had mixed the contents and CR balancing order for my squad more muscle heavy since my earlier fight with Burden had been against 3 muscles. Of course, that meant I loaded in with 2 muscles against 2 Apaches from the CR balancing. That sounds worse then it is since due to weaponry on my flail our total CR was still fairly close. Anyway, very long fight as my opponent and I kept jockeying for position and trying to use hill cover and distance. I'd try to keep distance due to my longer range weapon capabilities and weaker armor, he'd try to lure me closer. We had a nice stand off with a hill between us. In the end the lasers in my flail set fires and killed engines on his cars and just as I was about to offer him a price to let him run away so his gangers wouldn't have to walk home he surrendered. I think it would have been far more satisfying for both of us if we'd had vehicles with more similar offensive and defensive capabilities and could have done dueling/dogfighting to determine the victor. Perhaps some improvements to CR balancing could be done along these lines: Instead of using a predetermined order, balance both total CR and per vehicle CR for match ups. And/or have balancing total CR from weapons (offensive CR) vs total CR from armor (defensive CR) matching up more closely be part of the equation.
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 6:30 pm	It doesn't seem that any other PVP fights have been happening during Happy Hour, other then the ones I'm kicking off. Doesn't look like I'll be able to make session 4 now as it's scheduled, but I'm still hoping there's actually someone else out there lookng for PVP that might have a go and drop a report here. See you all in the Wilderness.
FireFly Posted May 1, 2011, 6:45 pm	Well if you load a HL/L flail for PvP you pay the Price... The CR Price, seemed balanced enough to me
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 6:47 pm	FireFly said: Well if you load a HL/L flail for PvP you pay the Price... The CR Price, seemed balanced enough to me  Didn't say it wasn't ultimately balanced, just said it might have been more fun that way, for both of us.
FireFly Posted May 1, 2011, 7:07 pm	Am I reading you right, but are you saying that muscle vehicles should be balanced against muscle vehicles more? That's a bit stupid, as in that case HL's would become complete bull
*goat starer* Posted May 1, 2011, 8:13 pm	FireFly said: That's a bit stupid, as in that case HL's would become complete bull they are
Checkers Posted May 1, 2011, 8:44 pm	HL's are pretty bull. Aw dodger, I'll PVP with you.
d0dger Posted May 1, 2011, 10:11 pm	FireFly said: Am I reading you right, but are you saying that muscle vehicles should be balanced against muscle vehicles more? That's a bit stupid, as in that case HL's would become complete bull I'm saying total offensive CR and defensive CR of the vehicles in the squad taken into consideration for PVP CR balancing.