Camp PvP (30 Votes)
Leave it.	36.67% - 11 votes
Scale camp open hours to about 1/4 of usage (A 24 hour camp is open about 6 hours).	36.67% - 11 votes
Scale camp open hours to about 1/2 usage. (12 hours)	26.67% - 8 votes

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Camp PvP, Opening hours and combat schedule

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 After my war with JS (and whoever else), it was clear to me camp PvP is effin brutal. I, as an attacker picked the times to attack and since everyone uses 24 hours (otherwise there is no point), I could attack at 2 am If I wanted(and that would have been like 7-8AM on the other side of the pond on a weekday). As it was I attacked later in the night(11PM and 12 Eastern) as that suited my RL schedule. The Defenders were able to make only one of the combats for whatever reason. It could have been even worse, I could have picked times they would for sure been put out by. As it was the result was clear - there is no point in being PvP flagged as a camp if you are actually getting attacked. It is impossible to defend 24 hours, I don't care how many people you have ready to fight at your camp. I think this poll is for anyone that typically belongs to a PvP open camp. This is kind of a rough poll to gauge opinions on "Open hours", ideas for how to make the hours less are welcome. More to come - trying to craft a very good PvP intercept Poll. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 4:01 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,615 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Not a vote, as I'm not part of an "open PvP" camp, but just a comment... The whole "open hours" thing is a known variable. Camp owners have the option to stay open 24 hours, but the result is they can get an attack at any of those hours. If they don't want to be available 24 hours, or have friends to spread it out, then they should NOT be open 24 hours. Again, this is nothing new, and nothing forces a camp to be open 24 hours... ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 4:04 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Ok here's the thing - that works fine if you are not PvP flagged. You can bash the npcs anytime you want when they attack. People are flagging for PvP camp because there is a (small) advantage to it...when you can actually PvP. If you PvP seriously and are camp attacked...then you have me scaling back my hours by 1/2 or 3/4 just so I can defend myself? There goes any possible bonus and MUCH MUCH more. Perhaps there should be separate PvP open hours...doesn't matter to me what you call it. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 4:07 pm Last edited Oct 18, 2010, 4:09 pm by Joel Autobaun

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,615 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Right - small advantage for PvP open (which also means someone else has to 'go to war' with you to even be attacked) but the disadvantage is that you have to watch your open hours. I see that as balanced. As far as scaling back your hours, that's your choice. The original thought behind this was that you would get your camp mates to commit to other times. Times that couldn't be committed to should either be closed or be prepared to get up in the middle of the night for a defense. That's all I'll say about it - I am not trying to slur your vote or anything, just expressing an opinion. I would hate to see people jump up and demand a change without knowing WHY it was done that way to begin with... ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 4:12 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Well I probably know more about this than anyone else - empirically speaking. I'm gonna try the vote first then I guess I will teach the lesson in practice. I've heard (mostly through sideways remarks) the camp damage to the consortium from just 3 attacks(one was forced to truce because of server trouble) was really really bad. If I was at my worst, it could have been easily 5 attacks before they managed to close up PvP and at least 2 before hours could change. I'd welcome any comments about that from Members of that camp (even mean ones about me lol). ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 4:15 pm Last edited Oct 18, 2010, 4:23 pm by Joel Autobaun

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 leave it. I have both attacked camps and been attacked. camp owners need to get better at utilising their members to mount a defence. If your camp has nobody in it who can mount a defence you should not be open 24 hours. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 5:13 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 What camp were you at when it was attacked and who defended it at what time? ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 5:17 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 I was in my own camp... which i cant even remember what itr was called. I think it was Longo and Latte who attacked it but as I didnt get the email nobody defended it... took a bit of damage. But as a camp owner I would have got someone else to defend it if I couldnt. (and i had my opening hours set to hours i can typically do). ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 5:25 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 So they attacked once? then you made peace or how did it end? ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 5:46 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 never attacked me again.. i sold the camp to invest in the vault. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 18, 2010, 11:01 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 Joel did you e-mail the attacks on us? I never got any. It is an "option". I assumed you did not do it to enhance the suprise aspect. Although if you pay attention to the "info" page you will see attacks in time to defend them. The e-mail is a courtesy that should be followed imo. While the damage was not huge, it takes a bunch of stone to fix even a 87% mech shop and we had some stockpiled, over a 1000 I'd say and I had to ship in quite a bit more as each building was around 87% and some were lower after the 2-3 attacks (2 successful I think?). ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Oct 19, 2010, 12:01 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 JS said: Joel did you e-mail the attacks on us?  I never got any.  It is an "option".  I assumed you did not do it to enhance the suprise aspect.  Although if you pay attention to the "info" page you will see attacks in time to defend them.  The e-mail is a courtesy that should be followed imo.  While the damage was not huge, it takes a bunch of stone to fix even a 87% mech shop and we had some stockpiled, over a 1000 I'd say and I had to ship in quite a bit more as each building was around 87% and some were lower after the 2-3 attacks (2 successful I think?). Weird, I get an email every time a camp attack is scheduled.  Not sure where this setting is. Anyways IGAF anymore about this and it doesn't look like anyone else does either. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Oct 19, 2010, 12:41 am

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 lol, JS the email on attack is an option that the camp owner turns on to alert themselves of an attack. If you didn't get an email it's because you didn't have it on, not because of anything Joel did. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Oct 19, 2010, 3:29 am

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I had a dig around from way back when camp wars all started and found the formula as Sam gave it for working out the CR you can use to attack with (which is a factor in how much damage you do iirc). 2.5 * defenderFame * attackerMR/100 * attackerActiveFrac*1.2 So apart from the obvious losses to production you get from scaling back to cover only the hours you can guarantee that you can defend you also lose the ability to counter-attack. As far as I am aware, the whole opening hours issue is more to do with scheduling of the fights (as in the matter being forced) as much as any balance that flows from it. I will agree with Joel on this one, never been a huge fan of it. You are restricting a camp based upon its active members, how active they are and how geographically separate they are. I would certainly be interested to see any viable alternatives that address the scheduling issue as well as the current system. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Oct 22, 2010, 5:27 am

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 *Dark Tempest* said: lol, JS the email on attack is an option that the camp owner turns on to alert themselves of an attack. If you didn't get an email it's because you didn't have it on, not because of anything Joel did. There ya have it.  Didn't know.  Although I believe I had it on.  I get the camp attack e-mails for the NPCs.  But did not for the PvP. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Oct 22, 2010, 10:28 am

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 In that case maybe it's a bug? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Oct 22, 2010, 1:46 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 bump 29% got their way (actually people who voted for camps to be open 24hrs just got burned and just PM'd sam to change it) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,104,31 Posted Jan 18, 2011, 8:01 pm Last edited Jan 18, 2011, 8:03 pm by Joel Autobaun

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Yeah, hey goat, you hypocrite ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit31,18,0 Posted Jan 18, 2011, 8:06 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,789 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Joel Autobaun said: bump 29% got their way (actually people who voted for camps to be open 24hrs just got burned and just PM'd sam to change it) That's pretty much it, yeah. Not that you GAF, right, Joel? I never saw this thread before. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 18, 2011, 8:22 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Quote: I thought that the 24 hour open time was supposed to encourage people getting together and working out who defends at what time and whatnot Took the valid bit of my message from the other thread and trimmed as much grumpybum sarcasm as I could off it. Greatly dislike shorter open hours required. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Jan 18, 2011, 8:43 pm

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