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World War One, last French soldier died Friday

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 Just a small note to mention the last French veteran soldier to have experienced World War One, has died Friday at the age of 110. We are now left alone with their heritage, shall this never happen again. ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Mar 17, 2008, 12:39 pm

Seiler Pestilence Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 946 Joined: Apr 29, 2007 I'll raise my glass to him tonight. ......................... vet deathrceL1 wv Posted Mar 17, 2008, 8:41 pm

Roger Ramjet Ricky Ranjits Rangers Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: Sep 18, 2007 A toast to all veterans! ......................... vet wv Posted Mar 17, 2008, 9:36 pm

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 13, 2007 Here here! Salute' ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Mar 17, 2008, 10:26 pm

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Shall they all rot in hell! Death to all warmongers! ......................... vet marshal wv Posted May 26, 2008, 12:18 pm

t0rp0r Death Unlimited Autodueller Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 410 Joined: Apr 1, 2008 Zothen said: Shall they all rot in hell! Death to all warmongers! You realize you'll get flamed to death for this, right? Even if you were joking, but I didn't see a smilie. Maybe you're just trying to provoke a response. I'll try to be polite in response. I am a pacifist myself, but I understand the need for military forces in this day and age. It's old men and their politics that cause wars. Most soldiers certainly aren't "warmongers," they're just people who are trying to serve their country and protect its freedom. France was invaded in WWI, although they certainly weren't blameless in starting that one, so do you think that all the men in the country should have lay down their arms and let themselves be conquered? They would never ... (*trying not to make they stupid cliched joke related to French surrendering in WWII*) Anyway, today is Memorial Day in the U.S., which makes this all the more ironic. I once told my dad, who was in the Navy during Vietnam, that I would never join the military because I was a pacifist. He asked me if  I thought he was a murderer... After a long time I realized to be proud of my dad for what he did, even if it's not a choice I would make. So, keep your comments directed at Al Queda, and, to a lesser extent, Bush, for being the warmongers of the world. ......................... vet wv zom Posted May 26, 2008, 12:34 pm

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 It was rather related to "A toast to all veterans!" And it was meant as written: they shall rot in hell! Well, maybe they should only rot a bit in hell when they were defenders, but isnt it funny that you illustrate soldiers as defenders only? Oh yes, I remember too much soldiers who told me they took their weaps to "defend" their contry (even far abroad). The second part is related to warmongers in general, as you assumed. I wish Memorial Day would also include the ones whove been killed by the army without any reason. But thats only collateral damage, I guess?! Anyway, its just a day of patriotism thats called nationalism in europe. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted May 26, 2008, 12:58 pm

t0rp0r Death Unlimited Autodueller Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 410 Joined: Apr 1, 2008 Zothen said: It was rather related to "A toast to all veterans!" And it was meant as written: they shall rot in hell! Well, maybe they should only rot a bit in hell when they were defenders, but isnt it funny that you illustrate soldiers as defenders only? Oh yes, I remember too much soldiers who told me they took their weaps to "defend" their contry (even far abroad). The second part is related to warmongers in general, as you assumed. I wish Memorial Day would also include the ones whove been killed by the army without any reason. But thats only collateral damage, I guess?! Anyway, its just a day of patriotism thats called nationalism in europe. I certainly understand your sentiments in some regard, and I agree that many of the wars (especially during the cold war) were fought to "defend" our country (US) when in reality we were propping up dictators who were much crueler than the socialist government would have been. I don't think all soldiers are "defenders", but at the same time I don't think there's any reason to insult the memories of all soldiers who have fought in the name of their country. Believe me, I'm not one of those people who says you have to defend your country (and president) during a time of war no matter what, but I think that saying anyone should "rot in hell" just because they fought in a war is way off base. And, I'll join you in proposing a toast to the millions of innocents who have died in fighting all the stupid wars of the world (which is 99 percent of them), but I'll still toast to our fallen soldiers at the same time. Meh, that's all I'll say on the subject. In the U.S. we just celebrate it as a day off from work to barbecue, anyway.  ......................... vet wv zom Posted May 26, 2008, 2:04 pm

Mad Mike the mad mad crushers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 2,900 Joined: Aug 1, 2007 ooohhhh boy this could go on and on... your anger is misplaced. we didnt start this war against terror. terrorism around the world is down 40% since the invasion of afghanistan. all countries that support Israel were attacked in some way by terrorists and are safer now that the battle is being fought. Don't get me wrong, it all sucks and I wish it would stop overnight but we have to accept that it will not. sad to say there will never be an end to all of this. the war is against an idea, not a physical country. Just know that the countries who support Israel didnt start the war unless youre one of those people that say the foundation of Israel started it. iran's president said it, they wont stop until israel is destroyed. I believe part of the reason of the oil prices is a back door copy of what happened in the 1970's with the oil embargo from opec. they may be doing to same thing just in secret. saying that everyone who fought in war must rot in hell... how did your country gain independence and if you do not have an army that can repel any invader who do you think protects you from being invaded?? ......................... vet wv Posted May 26, 2008, 4:07 pm

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Mad Mike said: terrorism around the world is down 40% since the invasion of afghanistan.  all countries that support Israel were attacked in some way by terrorists and are safer now that the battle is being fought. Don't get me wrong, it all sucks and I wish it would stop overnight but we have to accept that it will not. Funny, havent meet anybody for a long time who believes there is a war against Terrrorism at all! Anyway, your 40% (whoever might have measured it) might be way of reality. But sometimes american reality is differnent to the reality outside of the USA! Mad Mike said: saying that everyone who fought in war must rot in hell...  how did your country gain independence and if you do not have an army that can repel any invader who do you think protects you from being invaded?? Dunno, maybe Pretzel-Georgie? Dont understand what is wrong in saying that soldiers shall rot in hell? Who are you to decide what Im allowed to say or not? No free opinion allowed in your contry? Maybe it needs to be liberated? ......................... vet marshal wv Posted May 27, 2008, 12:18 pm Last edited May 27, 2008, 12:22 pm by Zothen

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 Quote: your anger is misplaced. we didnt start this war against terror. terrorism around the world is down 40% since the invasion of afghanistan. Citation needed... Also don't get me started on the war on terrorism, I think it's a travesty and a witch-hunt. If it was better executed and with a better plan in the first place then, maybe... Quote: I believe part of the reason of the oil prices is a back door copy of what happened in the 1970's with the oil embargo from opec. they may be doing to same thing just in secret. Hmm that's a bit too tinfoil hat for me. Quote: how did your country gain independence Most recently with non-violent protests, singing and other such liberal hippie bs (It's actually one of the precious few things I'm proud of about my country). While I don't think soldiers are 'evil' and should rot in hell as I doubt the majority sign up to kill people and blow #### up. However when people are just doing their job and following orders it's fairly easy to get them to do evil things under the rule of a corrupt/incapable leader. I think the responsibility for that still lies with them for letting themselves be talked into it if things go wrong. That's main the reason I would never join the army, but other than that I can respect and even admire the military. ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted May 27, 2008, 1:05 pm Last edited May 27, 2008, 1:47 pm by Alocalypse

Acierocolotl Equipe Jagwire Autodueller Renegade Group: Contributors Posts: 277 Joined: Mar 28, 2007 GENTLEMEN. Politeness is learning to hold your tongue (or your keyboard) and not going off on personal crusades when it would be wildly divergent from the topic. I believe the topic was about the last--now dead--first world war soldier. If you can't give your respects, then I'd just ask that you be polite and be silent instead. There will be plenty of other opportunities to bust out whatever crusade you want in other threads. ......................... vet Posted May 27, 2008, 1:45 pm

Parduz BroadRausters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 5, 2008 200m away from the house i was born, there's a wall with, among a lot of others, the name of a my "uncle" (a brother of my grand-father). I never known him, but i'm still proud to have my lastname in the list of the ones that makes resistance to fascism and nazism in "our" WWII. So, no, i don't think he should be in the hell just 'cause his last action was killing a nazist that was abusing of a woman in front of her childs. Mens are always single persons that act as singles. Sure, someone in the resistance we have got here deserve to burn in the hell, but when you look at somewhat generally, you should not steal the honor the "good ones" deserves, at the cost of honoring also the ones that dont own this merit. Hard to me to explain myself, hope you can understand me. ......................... vet wv Posted May 27, 2008, 1:49 pm

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 Quote: Anyway, its just a day of patriotism thats called nationalism in europe. I disagree strongly here with you - more strongly than you previous meanings about hell. Memorial days are meant to remember how terrible are wars, good ones included; and than we must no be tempted to start one. I think it is more important than ever to participate in such ceremonies so we all keep concerned about war and violence in general. There is no winner during a war, only casualties. Such things must not be forgotten. ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted May 27, 2008, 9:26 pm

Eldritch Goober Pariah Strike Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Not so long ago I was enduring a shopping trip, children in tow, and feeling a little stressed. In the queue in front of us in the pharmacy was a slight, smartly dressed, elderly gentleman who was rather amusd by the antics of said children. We exchanged a few polite words, and I thought little of it. Until he turned to leave. As he did so I caught sight of the two badges on his jacket lapel. One was the insignia of the Parachute regiment. The other, a Normandy campaign badge. As he walked away, it occured to me that he had seen more horror, bravery and tragedy than my civilian mind can comfortably imagine. My own fleeting "stress" was in true perspective for a moment. It is to him, and the men and women like him, that I raise a silent toast once a year. We must never forget the horror that modern war is, and we must never forget the (perhaps greater) horror against which people like him took a stand. Soldiers are people. Human; falible; Capable of great honour, or great cruelty. Both should serve as examples to us, in differing ways. ......................... vet Posted May 27, 2008, 9:39 pm

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Zothen said: Dont understand what is wrong in saying that soldiers shall rot in hell? So, where exactly does this slippery slope of lunacy end?  After soldiers I suppose we should include all police officers, huh?  They have uniforms and guns and represent 'The Man.'  Then firefighters - they risk their lives to protect people too, right?  Teachers next?  Doctors?  How about let's nip this in the bud and kill all babies before they can grow up and be 'evil' too.  Hrmm maybe you have something there; no babies = no humans = no war. Zothen said: Who are you to decide what Im allowed to say or not? No one's saying you can't say it (unless a mod says so - but it's Sam's forum ultimately so it's his call).  The people here are simply trying to understand why someone would say such a misguided and offensive remark, and to hopefully impart on you a more... rational... understanding. Zothen said: No free opinion allowed in your contry? Maybe it needs to be liberated? Plenty of it allowed here in the USA, thanks to educators, civil rights leaders, patriots, politicians, and yes, soldiers - all people who have devoted their lives toward the idea of making this a better world. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted May 28, 2008, 8:05 am Last edited May 28, 2008, 8:09 am by Lugal

Mad Mike the mad mad crushers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 2,900 Joined: Aug 1, 2007 having a different opinion is welcome but that opinion ends to where  that opinion turns into hate speech. there is a much different meaning between "the war on terror is a travesty and must be ended" and "all who fight in the war are criminals and should rot in hell" I already said I dont like the war and wish it ended today, but i will never insult those that choose to put their lives on the line to fight that war.  this applies to any war. the quote of terrorism down 40% was by a canadian newspaper.  http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJciaxCBODpiOZKXuLS73Q0gpaBA the definition of Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes. Pacifism covers a spectrum of views ranging from the belief that international disputes can and should be peacefully resolved, to absolute opposition to the use of violence, or even force, under any circumstances. not to use hate speech to make others hate those who you oppose. I dont think the word hell would even be in the lexicon of a pacifist. By that definition a pacifist would say that the war is wrong and idly sit by and smile. Not a Jehovah's Witness approach of being in everyones face with anti-war pamphlets. dont get me wrong zothen, I think you are right to the point that war is never the answer.  War can be defined as the last resort of imbeciles. the idea of who protects you can be shown as to which country has the largest army and protects europe (not during world war II I agree!!!!) The russians wanted to roll across europe and make it all part of the USSR and NATO (not just the USA) stood up against the former USSR during the cold war and when the USSR ran out of money and will they fell. I think this discussion can be ended to yes we agree with you zothen about anti-war but dont put those that gave their lives for others into the same basket as those who gave their lives to the oppression of those less powerful. (IE germany invasion of poland, france, etc; iraq invasion of kuwait; russian invasion of afghanistan; north vietnam invasion of south vietnam; north korea invasion of south korea, etc, etc, etc ......................... vet wv Posted May 28, 2008, 12:15 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Zothen said: Who are you to decide what Im allowed to say or not? No one's saying you can't say it (unless a mod says so - but it's Sam's forum ultimately so it's his call).  The people here are simply trying to understand why someone would say such a misguided and offensive remark, and to hopefully impart on you a more... rational... understanding. I have to agree with you here Lugal. I was actually pretty surprised to see Zothen's original comment, because he's usually very respectful etc. (like most of us here). Quote: (unless a mod says so - but it's Sam's forum ultimately so it's his call). I'm not really interested in micromanaging the forum, so I would usually hold back from policing it unless someone is obviously being seriously insulted about something. Although I did think Zothen's comments were somewhat offensive and insensitive, I didn't see anyone else getting too worried about it, so I stayed away. BTW I would agree with most here: war is a very bad thing but when you are being attacked you need to defend yourself, and I would have a lot of respect for WWI and WWII vets for this reason. My own country (Ireland) is actually "neutral" which personally I think is a bit laughable. The reality is that we hide behind England/Europe to protect us but by being neutral we can opt out of committing large resources or getting involved if we don't feel like it. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted May 28, 2008, 4:02 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Its interesting to see so many different points of view from so many countries on this forum. I also saw it when I was in Spain last month. So many international people show hate against President Bush and at the US. I personally don't like everything he has done over the last few years. But, lets face it, he does have the most difficult job in the ENTIRE world. And being from New York state, and seeing first hand the devastation done to Manhatten on 9/11, I have to point out to those of you who say we are losing the War on Terror that there has not been a successful attack against the US on our home soil since then. And this is due to the efforts of not just the US, but from some pretty outstanding investigations by the British and France, to name a few. And most Americans are pretty good people. They would drop what they were doing and stop and help you in a hearbeat if you were in need. As for Zothen, I don't know what country you are from, nor do I undertsand your offensive remarks. But remembering our dead is an important part of alot of cultures, and if its not one of yours, you should at least respect the beliefs of others. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted May 28, 2008, 6:05 pm

Mad Mike the mad mad crushers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 2,900 Joined: Aug 1, 2007 I am not at all happy about how our gov't (USA) is turning out. And in reality we dont elect presidents, we elect a particular party. The party system was cursed by those who wrote the constitution and warned of what would happen if a party system was set up. Bush did choose to invade iraq but be sure it wasnt just his idea. The republican party thought it would be good for our country, not just bush. I am not republican or democrat... I am nondenominational politically LOL anyway, we are getting way off topic here. sorry. I can understand zothens comments. I can understand the frustration in those that hate war but it seems to proliferate the world beyond our control. I think we all hope that our fellow man can use his mind and think about how their actions affect others. that we all can look out for one another and define ourselves as the human race as a whole. I dont return hate with hate, everyone can say what they want. Words do not hurt, we choose how we react when someone tries to use words as weapons. ANYWAY, we are all a little safer because we have defensive weapons such as armies, etc... I hope we can live in a world when war is a forgotten word. But in the meantime, those that fought wars for what they believed in deserve respect. Nothing shows conviction and dedication in something if you are ready to die for it. veterans deserve our respect, simple as that ......................... vet wv Posted May 29, 2008, 12:43 am

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