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Scripts v.234, Laprecords changes

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 This patch implements the laprecord changes that have been discussed at great length over the past week or two: 1. There are now three categories of lap record: all time, stock cars this calendar year, and pro cars this calendar year. 2. Stock cars are not allowed rocket boosters/nitros, while pro cars are allowed them. 3. The prize you get for setting a record is now heavily influenced by how long the previous record stood for. 4. Lap records may no longer be set in custom events. 5. The badges shown in the forum are now only for top records (not 2nd and 3rd) and represent the 3 new categories. Note that forum badges are recalculated once per day. The next refresh of the stock/pro records will be scheduled for Jan 1st, 2010. Right now they're all empty.... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 10:28 am Last edited Feb 25, 2009, 10:29 am by *sam*

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 A clarification question or two, if you don't mind: Will the all-time records be kept or reset as per the discussion at the end of this game year? Since these were set using custom events and/or boosters, I suppose the jury may be still out on that. Also, I see that the all-time records are lumped. Are there any plans to separate them into stock/pro as well? ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 3:02 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Will the all-time records be kept or reset as per the discussion at the end of this game year? All-time records will be kept permanently. Quote: I see that the all-time records are lumped. Are there any plans to separate them into stock/pro as well? No ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 4:04 pm

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Quote: Quote: Will the all-time records be kept or reset as per the discussion at the end of this game year? All-time records will be kept permanently. Quote: I see that the all-time records are lumped. Are there any plans to separate them into stock/pro as well? No On the former: I only ask because there had been talk of resetting those records. Of course, if all-time records will always include "pro" vehicles, then there's really no reason to reset them. I do wish that they were split up and that the old records were added to the pro all-time records, though. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 4:29 pm

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 *sam* said: 4. Lap records may no longer be set in custom events. while i am not 100% in favor of this (as the all-time records were mostly set this way) i can live with it and just try for the yearly records. also while not "true to life" per se, this will make more people involved in racing, i would imagine. anything that puts more players in a town event is a good thing, IMO. time for some racing action! ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:03 pm

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 For once I'm totally unhappy with a patch :P ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:28 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 pretty orange medals there Alo, whats wrong with the new patch then ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:39 pm

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Alocalypse said: For once I'm totally unhappy with a patch :P Agreed, not happy at all. The poll was still warm and valid points were made by both sides and people were changing their minds as arguments were presented. There were not enough votes to simply take them away. Odd that something that was not bugged, not giving someone an advantage over another or hurting the community in any way is taken away. This was something that multiple people enjoyed doing on their own time. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:01 pm Last edited Feb 25, 2009, 11:08 pm by Lord Foul

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Sam, could you allow me or anyone else to respec my mech that has the engine tuner spec.. Now that custom events are not allowed, I have no further use of that spec. A major change like this should allow a player to respec a character that has specs that they no longer need. Thanks ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:25 pm Last edited Feb 25, 2009, 11:51 pm by Lord Foul

xander Advanced Research Labs Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 395 Joined: May 8, 2007 Well the vote is 10 to 12, if you count alo voted wrong (that noob) and lugal wanting to change vote, it would be 12 to 10. ......................... vet deathrceL1 gateautumn raceL1 semiprocombat race1 deathrce1 combat1 wv Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:40 pm

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 Lord Foul said: Sam, could you allow me or anyone else to respect my mech that has the engine tuner spec.. Now that custom events are not allowed, I have no further use of that spec. I haven't piped in on this whole debate since I'm not a racer. I had one 3rd place and that was by accident As for respec, perhaps engine tuner should apply to any cars the gang drives, including stock track-owned cars. Seriously- if we can modify armor, tyre pressure, suspension, then why couldn't a mech tinker with what's under the hood? ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:44 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 should even be used in the wilderness so my lv 6 tuner can actually do something at camp with the specs ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 12:21 am

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Alocalypse said: For once I'm totally unhappy with a patch :P Lord Foul said: The poll was still warm and valid points were made by both sides and people were changing their minds as arguments were presented. There were not enough votes to simply take them away. Come now, this is a step in the right direction, and nothing is set in stone.  Sam asked for feedback to weigh against how he felt on the issues, and he went ahead and patched it. This - and everything else - is still up for debate, and Sam takes what we say into consideration.  I'm still pushing to open up custom events, and I'm optimistic. You guys know it's just him coding this stuff; we owe him at least the respect of not putting him into a "patched too soon / updated too slow", damned if you do/damned if you don't trap. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Feb 26, 2009, 2:32 am

Seiler Pestilence Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 946 Joined: Apr 29, 2007 darthspanky said: should even be used in the wilderness so my lv 6 tuner can actually do something at camp with the specs I think it should DEFINITELY apply to engines in wilderness encounters.  Why wouldn't the gang actually tune the engines of their fighting vehicles if they had that ability? And I also believe that custom events should be allowed for the setting of Custom and All Time Records, just not stock ones. ......................... vet deathrceL1 wv Posted Feb 26, 2009, 2:50 am Last edited Feb 26, 2009, 2:52 am by Seiler

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Quote: You guys know it's just him coding this stuff; we owe him at least the respect of not putting him into a "patched too soon / updated too slow", damned if you do/damned if you don't trap. Quote: And I also believe that custom events should be allowed for the setting of Custom and All Time Records, just not stock ones. I agree entirely with both of these statements. The former simply out of kindness and the latter because it seems like a fair and legit compromise. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 4:10 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Lol, it's getting a little deep in here Lugal and PT. Me an Alo show our appreciation to Sam when we see a patch we like and we can just as easily show dislike if we so wish. Me and Alo have great respect for Sam and he knows it, otherwise we would not have stayed here so long to support him. Me and Alo and probably others dislike the patch, but we will still go forward with what Sam wants for the game. (Hands Lugal and PT some tissue to wipe their noses) ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:40 am Last edited Feb 26, 2009, 8:41 am by Lord Foul

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Odd that something that was not bugged, not giving someone an advantage over another or hurting the community in any way is taken away. I didn't think it was bugged either, but the fact was that several players wanted custom events removed from records, therefore a vote seemed like the fairest way. I can very easily revert the change, of course. RE the engine tuner spec. - I could certainly make that apply to stock cars too, although it would be unlevelling the playing field somewhat. It's still currently useful for pro. events and the records you can set in them. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:28 am

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 On engine tuner: I think it should only apply if the mechanic is in the car (its not realistic, but it would make the option to add co-drivers more useful and add more strategy: do I put in a nitro or leave room for an engine tuner passanger? Do I want to risk my engine tuner in a record attempt?) Also I totally agree with what Lord Foul said. ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:59 am

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Quote: Me an Alo show our appreciation to Sam when we see a patch we like and we can just as easily show dislike if we so wish. . . . Me an Alo. . . . . . Me an Alo. . . I believe what you meant to say was, "Alo and I." By the way, there's really no need for semi-masked insults in the thread, Lord Foul. I can already see that we wouldn't get along if we met in real life. You don't need to act cute with your posts. I believe the point that Lugal and I were making is that it's unfair to blame the person who is doing the work for the masses. In some cases Sam is the moderator and the messenger. As much as I respect the guy I did not side with him in this simply because he's Sam. No matter the debate or the result I can't blame Sam for doing what the majority wants and doing his best to implement that. Expressing displeasure toward one man for the decisions of the majority is unfair. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 1:50 pm

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 13, 2007 Giving the records badges seems to be a good idea gone bad. Something else to separate the 'haves' from the 'have nots'. Dr Mathias said: I had one 3rd place and that was by accident I had three, but the same idea. A small tick in the history of Darkwind. To me the records are a by-product of another event, but clearly to some records are a goal of their own. Every player is playing a different game and *Sam* is trying to balance it to include everyone. Each has their own version of 'winning'. There is no stopping those that want the *most* be it money, badges, cars, uber characters, etc... They will find a way to meet their goal. The unfortunate side effect is it keeps some of us from giving it our all. I'm good on a bicycle but I would never try to race against Lance Armstrong. As far as engine tuners in stock events it is a bad, BAD, idea. Although it would give the spec a use (I have one that has never been used) it would seriously alter competing in league events. Someone would dominate every event they enter. It wouldn't be long before we hear the calls for a nerf, so lets not even go there. ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 3:08 pm

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